Road Rage - anyone else had enough?
Discussion
RobM77 said:
Vipers said:
RobM77 said:
Anyway, I'm not here to argue what's right or wrong, what I'm here to say is that it's wrong for people to get aggressive because they think they're in the right and someone cuts across them.
Tks for that, I was just genuinly interested in views on my intepretation of the highway code on roundabouts. Seems to be clear as mud to me?
Mind, you get the odd one now and again, when the right hand lane is clearly signed with the arrow on the road for right turn only.
Edited by Vipers on Thursday 30th October 10:27
boobles said:
At the end of the day we probably all have made a mistake whilst driving & caused somebody to have to swerve etc but under no circumstances should that give ANYONE the right to physically abuse or threaten or worst still, kill somebody for making a mistake!
I have definitely made mistakes when I'm driving. Funnily enough, I've never suffered from other people's road rage for them; not once in 14 years of driving. My Dad is so laid back when he drives he makes tonnes of mistakes all the time, but I've only known him get abuse for it on a few isolated occasions.
In honesty, the only road rage I've ever had inflicted on me is when:
a) other people make a mistake and get annoyed at you for it (probably deflected anger at themselves). Roundabout man in my OP is a good example. I'm sure we've all had this off managers at work too.
b) People deliberately put their car in a dangerous situation so they can have a go at you (accelerating van man in my OP). It's the "what you lookin' at" situation you see in rough bars on Friday nights all the time.
c) People are stressed and het up, and get annoyed at you driving slowly, or simply just being in front of them. Like Hyperion said earlier, he had someone stressed at him for riding slowly on the ice. I've had the same in the snow. People like that are normally dealt with easily by just letting them past.
All of the above anger happens outside cars too, it's just that when people are in a car a set of circumstances combine to make anger and reaction multiply.
RobM77 said:
Well, thanks for all the posts. I think I've come to the conclusion that it's definitely all my fault 
Interesting though - I set out to find out whether like minded individuals also suffer from road rage and I hoped to maybe understand it all a bit better and have a bit of a chat. I've definitely understood it better (rage at the innocent that is), but not from the angle I was expecting... Almost as soon as I posted, posts started coming in from people clearly desperately keen to get the boot in and have a go at me, in preference to any other sort of contribution. I was flung onto the defensive almost immediately. I can picture people sitting at their keyboards thinking "well, Rob wants to discuss road rage, but if I really apply myself to this I think I make it sound like he's in the wrong with a few of these incidents. A bit of poetic license needed, but I think I can do it!".
I've spent three months away from Pistonheads because the short-sighted pedantic geeks on it just wound me up to much. Upon my return I can see that nothing's changed! Still the same childish idiots ruining what would otherwise be a good forum. That's a shame, but so is road rage I guess.
Rob, what do you expect? Everyone on pistonheads is clearly an absolutely perfect driver, who never make any mistakes. In fact, they are perfect in every way, shape or form in any area of life, and anyone who shows any sign of normal human behaviour as opposed to their usual standards of super-human behaviour is fair game to be in for a good internet style beating! Interesting though - I set out to find out whether like minded individuals also suffer from road rage and I hoped to maybe understand it all a bit better and have a bit of a chat. I've definitely understood it better (rage at the innocent that is), but not from the angle I was expecting... Almost as soon as I posted, posts started coming in from people clearly desperately keen to get the boot in and have a go at me, in preference to any other sort of contribution. I was flung onto the defensive almost immediately. I can picture people sitting at their keyboards thinking "well, Rob wants to discuss road rage, but if I really apply myself to this I think I make it sound like he's in the wrong with a few of these incidents. A bit of poetic license needed, but I think I can do it!".I've spent three months away from Pistonheads because the short-sighted pedantic geeks on it just wound me up to much. Upon my return I can see that nothing's changed! Still the same childish idiots ruining what would otherwise be a good forum. That's a shame, but so is road rage I guess.
Dont let it get you down
RobM77 said:
boobles said:
Sorry you feel that way RobM77. I have also suffered many times in the hands of sad pathetic people on here who clearly only want to tell the world how big there penis is. (My last one being from the Calibra boys) & ofcourse in no way am i suggesting that ALL Calibra owners are t
t*. I have now come to the conclusion to treat people how they treat me, but lets not forget that PH generally has some great people who give sound advice.
t*. I have now come to the conclusion to treat people how they treat me, but lets not forget that PH generally has some great people who give sound advice. Glad you agree. I've met some great people on here (Shangani for one, who let me drive his car and I now own one and never want to sell it - I liked it that much!), Kambites, Tony Heth etc. I don't really post much anymore though because I'm sick of seeing people get jumped on and attacked the second they post, and of course having it happen to me. There's more to life than defending yourself against geeky keyboard warriors trying to pick holes in your arguments endlessly.I don't have any driver training over and above the DSA test and yet I almost never see the behaviour and reactions you describe, whilst driving around 30,000 miles a year. Why would I draw any conclusion other than "you're contributing to this"?
We all see the odd knobhead from time to time (and sometimes the knobhead is us) but twice a week? You're doing something wrong.
boobles said:
Why would we want this thread locked?
We all have opinions wether right or wrong but it doesnt mean the thread should be locked just because somebody disagrees with others.
We all have opinions wether right or wrong but it doesnt mean the thread should be locked just because somebody disagrees with others.
No need for a thread locking. I wish that some people would just resist clicking on a thread if they don't like the way that the conversation is going.
Whilst not trying to take over the OPs thread, there are two general parts to this conversation.
Firstly, there is the issue of driving standards and practices - What people are doing, and how this effects others.
Secondly, there is the issue of the attitudes involved with drivers, their reactions to situations, and how we (the royal we) respond to the stimuli of the combined attitudes and situations.
I'm not expecting us all to drive around in some happy Zen chillout zone, but I do believe (myself included, I'm not afraid to admit) would have a lot safer and happier journeys if we worried a lot less about the mistakes, limitations and failures of other road users, and relaxed a lot more.
CommanderJameson said:
RobM77 said:
boobles said:
Sorry you feel that way RobM77. I have also suffered many times in the hands of sad pathetic people on here who clearly only want to tell the world how big there penis is. (My last one being from the Calibra boys) & ofcourse in no way am i suggesting that ALL Calibra owners are tt*. I have now come to the conclusion to treat people how they treat me, but lets not forget that PH generally has some great people who give sound advice.
t*. I have now come to the conclusion to treat people how they treat me, but lets not forget that PH generally has some great people who give sound advice. Glad you agree. I've met some great people on here (Shangani for one, who let me drive his car and I now own one and never want to sell it - I liked it that much!), Kambites, Tony Heth etc. I don't really post much anymore though because I'm sick of seeing people get jumped on and attacked the second they post, and of course having it happen to me. There's more to life than defending yourself against geeky keyboard warriors trying to pick holes in your arguments endlessly.I don't have any driver training over and above the DSA test and yet I almost never see the behaviour and reactions you describe, whilst driving around 30,000 miles a year. Why would I draw any conclusion other than "you're contributing to this"?
We all see the odd knobhead from time to time (and sometimes the knobhead is us) but twice a week? You're doing something wrong.
Each time something happens I think about what's happened from the other person's perspective and no, I don't think I've ever had a single road rage incident that's been my fault. Twice a week! I make mistakes, for sure, everyone does! I've never had road rage directed at me from them though, curiously - I usually just give a wave to say sorry and get a wave back. Unless you sit with me all week in the car you'll have to take that on trust I'm afraid. I drive like I walk around the office - calmly, hold a few doors open for people, chat a bit, and smile at people who own nice cars
Don said:
Oh...my point was:
For those two little aholes in their rusted out stbox it didn't need anyone else to have done something for them to be "enraged". What they did by themselves was quite enough.
We simply need to cull them.
Agreed my anecdote is:-For those two little a
holes in their rusted out stbox it didn't need anyone else to have done something for them to be "enraged". What they did by themselves was quite enough.We simply need to cull them.
Sainsbo's, shaven headed oik in a ratty Vectra wants to go to the cashpoint. Ignoring the plentiful parking spaces close by, also ignoring the empty "pick up zone" immediately in front of the cashpoint he abandons his vehicle in the middle of the junction between car park lane and what might be described as the perimeter track, thus blocking all traffic in all directions.
Having extracted money from the machine he returns to his car and all the way he is attempting to engage someone in eye contact, anyone in eye contact. To me he appeared to be looking for a confrontation in order to fire up a barney. From my hidden vantage point you could see people actively avoiding making eye contact, if that makes sense, because it was clear where this was going to go.
The prat then went off to try and find someone else to fight.*
Some people are just arses, out there looking for a ruck, they should be shot, then sterilised to prevent any possibility of reproduction, and then killed. Mind you some would enjoy that.
- *A salutory 'happy' ending, a few months later he found someone harder than him, a woman as it happened. Note:- I'm not celebrating violence as retribution, just observing that what goes around comes around.
Stigmundfreud said:
RobM77 said:
[I don't think I've ever had a single road rage incident that's been my fault.
thats just it though Rob, no one is ever at fault! I've been in situations where I was at fault in the eyes of the other party desptie it being obviously their fault. Or was it?My ex had such problems with people tailgating and flashing her in her Micra that I took her car for a drive with her in the passenger seat to test her theory. It turns out that she was right - people just see a Micra and assume they need to get past, no matter whether there's a librarian or a racing driver at the wheel. We switched to my barge and drove the same way (30mph in the 30 limits and 40 in the 40 limits) and never got any hassle from anyone. Switch to the Elise and something else happens (as described in my OP) - people are all over you trying to get past to prove that they're faster despite spending less money and having a slower car. I get tailgated and harassed all the time in the Lotus for keeping to speed limits, but never in the BMW. Sure, people can see over the Lotus, which has an effect, but that's not true in the Micra.
Los Angeles said:
That happened to me on a high cliff road in the mountains of south Spain: a long line of disciplined traffic driving downhill on twisty, narrow roads at a reasonable speed, and the driver at the end of the line decides he wants to be at the front. At ever occasion he overtook at speed and grabbed the safety gap in order to work his way to the front. I was tempted to close the gap when he arrived at my space by that would be road rage! No driver tackled him, which is what he banked on, I guess.
Perhaps road rage and lack of chivalry its a cultural issue.
It happens ALL the time in to me in France especially the high mountain roads from Hyeres Airport to the coast road. Actually I don't think it is an emotional 'rage' thing with European drivers. I think they logically work out they want to be at the front of the queue, there's a space, quelle probleme? It's appalling driving. But I've come to accept they don't think they are winding anybody else up by doing this.Perhaps road rage and lack of chivalry its a cultural issue.
In fact if you brake test the tailgaters a few times they usually hang back in a relaxed way.
But I have seen the most death-defying overtaking attempts. I just pretend it's spectator sport, hang back (usually in an udnerpowered hire car) and enjoy watching them 'race'.
Edited by audidoody on Thursday 30th October 14:35
I saw something this morning I just couldn't believe.
Driving down the A41 dual carriageway on the way to work I'm following a Saab which is following some kind of battered old low loader truck. We're all doing pretty much bang on 70 but the truck is in the overtaking lane completely unecessarily as there are no vehicles in front of him for almost at least half a mile in either lane.
The Saab clearly wants to get past him but isn't forcing the issue. He's not too close, he doesnt undertake, he doesnt flash as far as I can tell. When the truck pulls over the Saab goes to overtake, only for the truck to wait until they are parallel and turn sharply into the overtaking lane, almost forcing the Saab off the road. The Saab backed off, tried to overtake again, and this time they were alongside each other when the truck pulled over again, literally forcing the Saab completely off the road into the grit and rubbish next to the central reservation barrier. He was so close to losing it and hitting the central reservation I couldnt believe it. Eventually the guy in the Saab manages to get past with the low loader still swerving as if he was trying to hit him.
Fair play to the Saab driver; all he did was give the truck the w*nker sign as he drove off; I think I'd have been tempted to do much worse if someone had almost killed me for no reason whatsoover. What the hell is going on in this country!
Driving down the A41 dual carriageway on the way to work I'm following a Saab which is following some kind of battered old low loader truck. We're all doing pretty much bang on 70 but the truck is in the overtaking lane completely unecessarily as there are no vehicles in front of him for almost at least half a mile in either lane.
The Saab clearly wants to get past him but isn't forcing the issue. He's not too close, he doesnt undertake, he doesnt flash as far as I can tell. When the truck pulls over the Saab goes to overtake, only for the truck to wait until they are parallel and turn sharply into the overtaking lane, almost forcing the Saab off the road. The Saab backed off, tried to overtake again, and this time they were alongside each other when the truck pulled over again, literally forcing the Saab completely off the road into the grit and rubbish next to the central reservation barrier. He was so close to losing it and hitting the central reservation I couldnt believe it. Eventually the guy in the Saab manages to get past with the low loader still swerving as if he was trying to hit him.
Fair play to the Saab driver; all he did was give the truck the w*nker sign as he drove off; I think I'd have been tempted to do much worse if someone had almost killed me for no reason whatsoover. What the hell is going on in this country!
Metroarea said:
I saw something this morning I just couldn't believe.
Driving down the A41 dual carriageway on the way to work I'm following a Saab which is following some kind of battered old low loader truck. We're all doing pretty much bang on 70 but the truck is in the overtaking lane completely unecessarily as there are no vehicles in front of him for almost at least half a mile in either lane.
The Saab clearly wants to get past him but isn't forcing the issue. He's not too close, he doesnt undertake, he doesnt flash as far as I can tell. When the truck pulls over the Saab goes to overtake, only for the truck to wait until they are parallel and turn sharply into the overtaking lane, almost forcing the Saab off the road. The Saab backed off, tried to overtake again, and this time they were alongside each other when the truck pulled over again, literally forcing the Saab completely off the road into the grit and rubbish next to the central reservation barrier. He was so close to losing it and hitting the central reservation I couldnt believe it. Eventually the guy in the Saab manages to get past with the low loader still swerving as if he was trying to hit him.
Fair play to the Saab driver; all he did was give the truck the w*nker sign as he drove off; I think I'd have been tempted to do much worse if someone had almost killed me for no reason whatsoover. What the hell is going on in this country!
I would be tempted, in fact I would have called 999 and report a suspect drunk incharge of a low loader, let them sort him out, with you as the witness of his antics.Driving down the A41 dual carriageway on the way to work I'm following a Saab which is following some kind of battered old low loader truck. We're all doing pretty much bang on 70 but the truck is in the overtaking lane completely unecessarily as there are no vehicles in front of him for almost at least half a mile in either lane.
The Saab clearly wants to get past him but isn't forcing the issue. He's not too close, he doesnt undertake, he doesnt flash as far as I can tell. When the truck pulls over the Saab goes to overtake, only for the truck to wait until they are parallel and turn sharply into the overtaking lane, almost forcing the Saab off the road. The Saab backed off, tried to overtake again, and this time they were alongside each other when the truck pulled over again, literally forcing the Saab completely off the road into the grit and rubbish next to the central reservation barrier. He was so close to losing it and hitting the central reservation I couldnt believe it. Eventually the guy in the Saab manages to get past with the low loader still swerving as if he was trying to hit him.
Fair play to the Saab driver; all he did was give the truck the w*nker sign as he drove off; I think I'd have been tempted to do much worse if someone had almost killed me for no reason whatsoover. What the hell is going on in this country!
Vipers said:
Metroarea said:
I saw something this morning I just couldn't believe.
Driving down the A41 dual carriageway on the way to work I'm following a Saab which is following some kind of battered old low loader truck. We're all doing pretty much bang on 70 but the truck is in the overtaking lane completely unecessarily as there are no vehicles in front of him for almost at least half a mile in either lane.
The Saab clearly wants to get past him but isn't forcing the issue. He's not too close, he doesnt undertake, he doesnt flash as far as I can tell. When the truck pulls over the Saab goes to overtake, only for the truck to wait until they are parallel and turn sharply into the overtaking lane, almost forcing the Saab off the road. The Saab backed off, tried to overtake again, and this time they were alongside each other when the truck pulled over again, literally forcing the Saab completely off the road into the grit and rubbish next to the central reservation barrier. He was so close to losing it and hitting the central reservation I couldnt believe it. Eventually the guy in the Saab manages to get past with the low loader still swerving as if he was trying to hit him.
Fair play to the Saab driver; all he did was give the truck the w*nker sign as he drove off; I think I'd have been tempted to do much worse if someone had almost killed me for no reason whatsoover. What the hell is going on in this country!
I would be tempted, in fact I would have called 999 and report a suspect drunk incharge of a low loader, let them sort him out, with you as the witness of his antics.Driving down the A41 dual carriageway on the way to work I'm following a Saab which is following some kind of battered old low loader truck. We're all doing pretty much bang on 70 but the truck is in the overtaking lane completely unecessarily as there are no vehicles in front of him for almost at least half a mile in either lane.
The Saab clearly wants to get past him but isn't forcing the issue. He's not too close, he doesnt undertake, he doesnt flash as far as I can tell. When the truck pulls over the Saab goes to overtake, only for the truck to wait until they are parallel and turn sharply into the overtaking lane, almost forcing the Saab off the road. The Saab backed off, tried to overtake again, and this time they were alongside each other when the truck pulled over again, literally forcing the Saab completely off the road into the grit and rubbish next to the central reservation barrier. He was so close to losing it and hitting the central reservation I couldnt believe it. Eventually the guy in the Saab manages to get past with the low loader still swerving as if he was trying to hit him.
Fair play to the Saab driver; all he did was give the truck the w*nker sign as he drove off; I think I'd have been tempted to do much worse if someone had almost killed me for no reason whatsoover. What the hell is going on in this country!
I'd have taken the number plate of both vehicles and called the old bill.
A coffee bean shake seems like a very controlled response in all honesty
Do you think that people delibratley try & cause you to have an accident depending on what car you are driving?
Im convinced that they do because since owning my second Elise i have been involved in a few "incidents" & im convinced that people see you in a smaller car & automatically asume thay have the right of way.
Im convinced that they do because since owning my second Elise i have been involved in a few "incidents" & im convinced that people see you in a smaller car & automatically asume thay have the right of way.
boobles said:
Do you think that people delibratley try & cause you to have an accident depending on what car you are driving?
Im convinced that they do because since owning my second Elise i have been involved in a few "incidents" & im convinced that people see you in a smaller car & automatically asume thay have the right of way.
I completely agree. The "faster" your car is perceived to be to them, the more people with lesser cars will try and catch you up and prove whatever it is they have to prove to you. Im convinced that they do because since owning my second Elise i have been involved in a few "incidents" & im convinced that people see you in a smaller car & automatically asume thay have the right of way.
It astonishes me the amount of vans, transits, trucks etc...who seem to think they are ok to tailgate me on dual carriage ways when I am already making progress. What further speed do they think their A reg Transit has to make any sort of overtake worthwhile.
Reading the thread on here the otherday about "whafters", I'm seriously tempted to get myself into a big old comfy cruiser and just let these maniacs kill each other in peace.
boobles said:
Do you think that people delibratley try & cause you to have an accident depending on what car you are driving?
Im convinced that they do because since owning my second Elise i have been involved in a few "incidents" & im convinced that people see you in a smaller car & automatically asume thay have the right of way.
Look what happens when you own a flash Merc!Im convinced that they do because since owning my second Elise i have been involved in a few "incidents" & im convinced that people see you in a smaller car & automatically asume thay have the right of way.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=2vwxAVZ6fJ4
RobM77 said:
Stigmundfreud said:
RobM77 said:
[I don't think I've ever had a single road rage incident that's been my fault.
thats just it though Rob, no one is ever at fault! I've been in situations where I was at fault in the eyes of the other party desptie it being obviously their fault. Or was it?My ex had such problems with people tailgating and flashing her in her Micra that I took her car for a drive with her in the passenger seat to test her theory. It turns out that she was right - people just see a Micra and assume they need to get past, no matter whether there's a librarian or a racing driver at the wheel. We switched to my barge and drove the same way (30mph in the 30 limits and 40 in the 40 limits) and never got any hassle from anyone. Switch to the Elise and something else happens (as described in my OP) - people are all over you trying to get past to prove that they're faster despite spending less money and having a slower car. I get tailgated and harassed all the time in the Lotus for keeping to speed limits, but never in the BMW. Sure, people can see over the Lotus, which has an effect, but that's not true in the Micra.
Also, because I'm 17, all the local lads want to race me off the lights etc.
The answer is to get a White Van, no-one can mess with you then!
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