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jonnydm said:
Astacus said:
jonnydm said:
steve lyden brow said:
Purely out of interest, I want to see what your response is to my comment on your post in this thread:http://pistonheads.com/xforums/topic.asp?h=0&t...
Olf said:
jonnydm said:
Astacus said:
jonnydm said:
steve lyden brow said:
Purely out of interest, I want to see what your response is to my comment on your post in this thread:http://pistonheads.com/xforums/topic.asp?h=0&t...
Hello to all of those who took an interest (healthy or otherwise ! ) in my comment about Lord Janner- a comment made en passant by me when remarking upon the extremely anti-semitic post submitted by another member of this forum. Other than as stated below, I have no axe to grind with Janner. He is/was a consummate politician, of course, a fact that doesn't endear him to me one iota ; other than that, his principal failing ( as once brought to my attention by some of his erstwhile constituents known to me ), is that he favours members of his faith rather more than others who might feel that they are equally entitled to his support, but, of course, it must be said that this partisan interest of his may well have decreased since his accepting a peerage. However, if recent evidence is any guide, this should not be necessarly accepted as being so. I trust this explanation will suffice, but am more than happy to continue the debate if required.
I have been asked as to what cars I own. Common sense suggest that I should not go into great detail, other than to say that, apart from my Aston and a 1940 Lagonda drophead tourer, all of the others are shades of red in colour.
As for nine being too many, I once had over twice that number until a messy divorce reduced the number by half overnight !
Cheers,
SLB
I have been asked as to what cars I own. Common sense suggest that I should not go into great detail, other than to say that, apart from my Aston and a 1940 Lagonda drophead tourer, all of the others are shades of red in colour.
As for nine being too many, I once had over twice that number until a messy divorce reduced the number by half overnight !
Cheers,
SLB
Does the use on my part of the word "persecute" in the context of Lord Janner still require an explanation ? In case it does, please read on. I am quite happy with my use of that word, although use of the word "prosecute" would have been equally as relevent, especially when used in the context offered by the Oxford English dictionary i.e. " to pursue or carry on".
Lord Janner is known virtually wholly for his vociferous ( one could also say "strident" ) representation and support of Jewish causes ( certainly, other than he was once an M.P., I know of him for no other reason and am quite happy to remain that way ). It was in this capacity of his that I think it extremely likely that had the phrase (see below)printed in this forum been brought to his attention, I have no doubt whatsoever that he would have taken action against this forum. For my part, I can only say, as I have done so already, that I was most surprised ( and not a little offended ! )to see such an odious phrase printed in this forum, all the more so when an recent innocent enquiry on my part as to the status of Sandi Toksvig seems to have been deleted !
The phrase used in this forum was, I think, about Vauxhall Corsa engines not being powerful enough to "pull back a Jew's foreskin" !
SLB
Lord Janner is known virtually wholly for his vociferous ( one could also say "strident" ) representation and support of Jewish causes ( certainly, other than he was once an M.P., I know of him for no other reason and am quite happy to remain that way ). It was in this capacity of his that I think it extremely likely that had the phrase (see below)printed in this forum been brought to his attention, I have no doubt whatsoever that he would have taken action against this forum. For my part, I can only say, as I have done so already, that I was most surprised ( and not a little offended ! )to see such an odious phrase printed in this forum, all the more so when an recent innocent enquiry on my part as to the status of Sandi Toksvig seems to have been deleted !
The phrase used in this forum was, I think, about Vauxhall Corsa engines not being powerful enough to "pull back a Jew's foreskin" !
SLB
Steve, many thanks for sharing your opinions. Yes, I do agree that in many ways Lord Janner has been a preponent of Jewish causes and also someone who follows up and seeks to pursue perpetrators of anti semitism in the UK and the rest of the world. However, I think I see this in a slightly different way to you. I see Lord Janner's cause one of the few people in the public eye who is constantly working for the benefit of Jewish causes and also to eradicate anti semitism (which isnt just against Jews)! As a Jew and someone who has been involved with Jewish causes throughout his lifetime (which stemmed from being in Germany after the allied victory and coming face to face with holocaust victims straight after the event) he felt that as an MP, it was his duty to fight for these causes in public and in Parliament. As a peer, it remains one of Lord Janner's main roles and he continues to perform this as unfortunately this cause is one that still needs to be argued.
However, I think to say that he persecutes those who make these remarks and share these thoughts is the wrong turn of phrase. This would suggest that he oppressed them to do with their beliefs or race. Surely this is something that the perpetrators have done in the first place. Prosecute, maybe? And I dont argue with this, although I would simply argue for these people to be educated.
Happy to carry on the discussion!
However, I think to say that he persecutes those who make these remarks and share these thoughts is the wrong turn of phrase. This would suggest that he oppressed them to do with their beliefs or race. Surely this is something that the perpetrators have done in the first place. Prosecute, maybe? And I dont argue with this, although I would simply argue for these people to be educated.
Happy to carry on the discussion!
Well, speaking as someone who is Jewish (in an agnostic kind of wayf) I found the phrase quite funny. It's quite a subtle gag, ie Jewish males don't have foreskins so not having the power to "pull a Jew's foreskin" means it isn't even powerful enough to pull something that doesn't exist. (it's OK - what you've never had you never missed and the ladies are quite partial to a top-down convertible).
Well I laughed.
Well I laughed.
audidoody said:
Well, speaking as someone who is Jewish (in an agnostic kind of wayf) I found the phrase quite funny. It's quite a subtle gag, ie Jewish males don't have foreskins so not having the power to "pull a Jew's foreskin" means it isn't even powerful enough to pull something that doesn't exist. (it's OK - what you've never had you never missed and the ladies are quite partial to a top-down convertible).
Well I laughed.
Well if you hadnt guessed from my above post, I am Jewish myself - although I would define myself as (modern) orthodox. Well I laughed.
The one I heard was 'no woman can resist anything with 25% off'!
Edited by jonnydm on Thursday 21st June 13:59
jonnydm said:
audidoody said:
Well, speaking as someone who is Jewish (in an agnostic kind of wayf) I found the phrase quite funny. It's quite a subtle gag, ie Jewish males don't have foreskins so not having the power to "pull a Jew's foreskin" means it isn't even powerful enough to pull something that doesn't exist. (it's OK - what you've never had you never missed and the ladies are quite partial to a top-down convertible).
Well I laughed.
Well if you hadnt guessed from my above post, I am Jewish myself - although I would define myself as (modern) orthodox. Well I laughed.
The one I heard was 'no woman can resist anything with 25% off'!
Edited by jonnydm on Thursday 21st June 13:59
Jonnydym,
I hope that I got your name correct, amigo !
The trouble is, for me at least, that today there are few lobby groups, power bases, minorities (call them what you will ) more powerful than the Jews. Whilst I have absolutely no problem with that ( to be honest I rarely give it a moments thought ! )it has just become so bloody predictable nowadays ( and for many years past ) to know the minute one see or hears Lord Janner that he will be leaping to the defence of the Jews. Isn't it about time someone else came forward to shoulder the burden ? Not only that, but he was a duly elected Member of Parliament, chosen to represent Leicester East ( I think )in the British House of Commons, yet for all the work he is putting in he should be sitting in the Knesset ! Heaven's knows, there are Scottish MP's in the House that don't bang on about bloody Scotland all the damn time ! Hope I haven't offended you, compadre, but it seems to me that you are a guy more than capable of dealing with aspects of all issues be they for good or bad. As a lawyer, of course, I have to now state that I don't believe for one moment that my comments are necessarily one or the other !
Cheers,
SLB
I hope that I got your name correct, amigo !
The trouble is, for me at least, that today there are few lobby groups, power bases, minorities (call them what you will ) more powerful than the Jews. Whilst I have absolutely no problem with that ( to be honest I rarely give it a moments thought ! )it has just become so bloody predictable nowadays ( and for many years past ) to know the minute one see or hears Lord Janner that he will be leaping to the defence of the Jews. Isn't it about time someone else came forward to shoulder the burden ? Not only that, but he was a duly elected Member of Parliament, chosen to represent Leicester East ( I think )in the British House of Commons, yet for all the work he is putting in he should be sitting in the Knesset ! Heaven's knows, there are Scottish MP's in the House that don't bang on about bloody Scotland all the damn time ! Hope I haven't offended you, compadre, but it seems to me that you are a guy more than capable of dealing with aspects of all issues be they for good or bad. As a lawyer, of course, I have to now state that I don't believe for one moment that my comments are necessarily one or the other !
Cheers,
SLB
Steve, I shant argue with your point about powerful Jews because I dont really think that is an issue and defiantely not in the UK. One could quite easily make a statement on how successful Asian people have been in England due to their dedication to hard work, although I rather think that this is here nor there. If you were talking about the pro Israel lobby in the USA, then that would be different.
You should also note that many MPs take it upon themselves to champion various issues based on their constituents or their personal views. There was no way that Lord Janner was unique in any way for work that he did whilst an MP. The way in which he was unique is that he has constantly defended Judaism and Jews from anti semitism in the UK and that has in many ways become a role of his within the community at large. The fact that this is in effect a role that he still maintains as a peer shows that this is an ever present issue and that it is something close to him. I am also sure that you barely meant it as a joke but the whole point of a figure such as Janner sitting in the Lords is that he is defending anglo Jewry.
You should also note that many MPs take it upon themselves to champion various issues based on their constituents or their personal views. There was no way that Lord Janner was unique in any way for work that he did whilst an MP. The way in which he was unique is that he has constantly defended Judaism and Jews from anti semitism in the UK and that has in many ways become a role of his within the community at large. The fact that this is in effect a role that he still maintains as a peer shows that this is an ever present issue and that it is something close to him. I am also sure that you barely meant it as a joke but the whole point of a figure such as Janner sitting in the Lords is that he is defending anglo Jewry.
Edited by jonnydm on Thursday 21st June 17:44
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