Discussion
andrewrob said:
If the investigation found that if he would have had the check he would have been able to safely land the helicopter then fair enough, but it doesn't
J111The said:
investigation that has yet to be published...
Well then just take the "but it doesn't" off the end and swap "found" for finds and it still makes sense 
Edited by andrewrob on Thursday 11th September 14:06
J111 said:
Hitch78 said:
This is a useless thread - the man had a mastery over machinery that most could not even comprehend, the fact that a piece of paper in a drawer in his desk had not been updated is neither here nor there.
Racing drivers have a level of technical mastery such that they never have at fault accidents ?Have a word with yourself.
Hitch78 said:
J111 said:
Hitch78 said:
This is a useless thread - the man had a mastery over machinery that most could not even comprehend, the fact that a piece of paper in a drawer in his desk had not been updated is neither here nor there.
Racing drivers have a level of technical mastery such that they never have at fault accidents ?jag guru said:
I actually live in the same town as Colin McRae came from. And where
his parents still live. The reverence and respect Colin was ( and still
is ) held in around here, is testament to his ability.
It doesn't matter a damn what tittle tattle Wikipedia or the
tabloids may have come up with re' licences,etc .
The man put this town, Scotland and the wider UK firmly on the map
in rallying, and joins Jim Clark and Jackie Stewart in the ranks of
Scottish motoring sporting greats.
And he will be remembered always,for his achievement in doing so.
May he and his son, RIP.
I think that is a great testament to end this thread on.his parents still live. The reverence and respect Colin was ( and still
is ) held in around here, is testament to his ability.
It doesn't matter a damn what tittle tattle Wikipedia or the
tabloids may have come up with re' licences,etc .
The man put this town, Scotland and the wider UK firmly on the map
in rallying, and joins Jim Clark and Jackie Stewart in the ranks of
Scottish motoring sporting greats.
And he will be remembered always,for his achievement in doing so.
May he and his son, RIP.
Edited by jag guru on Thursday 11th September 21:07
Not sure if good or bad; many similarities to Graham Hills accident unfortunately.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/glasgow_and_we...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/glasgow_and_we...
I think I will wait to hear the results of the investigation before I pass judgement.
Also comparing someone not having a check flight to not being competent to fly are two different things. He could well of had a FAA PPL(H), so not needed as often. Most people will read one thing and jump to an instant conclusion.
Also comparing someone not having a check flight to not being competent to fly are two different things. He could well of had a FAA PPL(H), so not needed as often. Most people will read one thing and jump to an instant conclusion.
That's an AAIB fudge if ever I saw one. Basically the cause could have been anything, though I'm afraid I don't believe the statement from McRae's solicitor.
The issue of licensing comes in 2 parts, firstly there is the licence itself which has a validity period and under the old UK rules it was valid for life, under JAA rules it is valid for 5 years.
However, more importantly, you also have a type rating on each helicopter type you fly, something that lasts just a year. The type of licence you hold (UK or JAA) is irrelevant and it is down to the licence holder to make sure they are licenced to fly.
He may have been an exceptional handling pilot, but if he was running around low level, then frankly that is asking for trouble.
It does sound like an unecessary and avoidable accident from that. Very sad.
The issue of licensing comes in 2 parts, firstly there is the licence itself which has a validity period and under the old UK rules it was valid for life, under JAA rules it is valid for 5 years.
However, more importantly, you also have a type rating on each helicopter type you fly, something that lasts just a year. The type of licence you hold (UK or JAA) is irrelevant and it is down to the licence holder to make sure they are licenced to fly.
He may have been an exceptional handling pilot, but if he was running around low level, then frankly that is asking for trouble.
It does sound like an unecessary and avoidable accident from that. Very sad.
Curry Burns said:
jag guru said:
I actually live in the same town as Colin McRae came from. And where
his parents still live. The reverence and respect Colin was ( and still
is ) held in around here, is testament to his ability.
It doesn't matter a damn what tittle tattle Wikipedia or the
tabloids may have come up with re' licences,etc .
The man put this town, Scotland and the wider UK firmly on the map
in rallying, and joins Jim Clark and Jackie Stewart in the ranks of
Scottish motoring sporting greats.
And he will be remembered always,for his achievement in doing so.
May he and his son, RIP.
I think that is a great testament to end this thread on.his parents still live. The reverence and respect Colin was ( and still
is ) held in around here, is testament to his ability.
It doesn't matter a damn what tittle tattle Wikipedia or the
tabloids may have come up with re' licences,etc .
The man put this town, Scotland and the wider UK firmly on the map
in rallying, and joins Jim Clark and Jackie Stewart in the ranks of
Scottish motoring sporting greats.
And he will be remembered always,for his achievement in doing so.
May he and his son, RIP.
Edited by jag guru on Thursday 11th September 21:07
However, if I was a parent of the child who died, I'd want to know as much as possible about how the accident happened. If one possibility is that Colin Mcrae was larking about or made a mistake in some way, so be it. Being a British hero and a nice guy didn't mean he wasn't able to make mistakes like anybody else.
The fact that he was well liked, obviously so on a motoring forum, doesn't preclude the possibility that he could be at fault.
In reality, it seems the investigation has struggled to find any concrete evidence of what went on, so I suppose we'll never know.
10 Pence Short said:
In reality, it seems the investigation has struggled to find any concrete evidence of what went on, so I suppose we'll never know.
Which is odd, because apparently they have on-board video camera footage. Are general aviation flights required to carry FDRs and CVRs?It does seem strange that so many people think the licence issue is irrelevant.
Why is flying normally so very safe? It is because pilots undertake rigorous training to obtain their licences and there are lots of rules governing who can fly what and how their competencies are assessed. These might seem petty fogging bureaucracy to those outside but it is what keeps flying safe.
Why is flying normally so very safe? It is because pilots undertake rigorous training to obtain their licences and there are lots of rules governing who can fly what and how their competencies are assessed. These might seem petty fogging bureaucracy to those outside but it is what keeps flying safe.
Ean218 said:
It does seem strange that so many people think the licence issue is irrelevant.
Indeed.Shocking lack of responsibilty shown by flying at all, let alone with others, with such a lengthy period of lapsed type rating and licence validation.
One does wonder about the possible implications to the McRae family as per the Graham Hill situation...?
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