VOTE LABOUR! Really how could you??

[Gary11]

I am ever curious as to the mind set of the people on the populous polls ie 42% who say they would vote labour,I mean to start Ed Balls? Someone in the thick of the last financial crisis a compulsive liar and spin merchant and Ed Miliband clearly no world statesman with no finacial understanding or coherent policy of his own (I'm being polite).
We are then supposed to forget the absolute financial disaster caused by Gordon Brown and Blair,ruining everything selling all our gold,destroying thousands of viable family small bushinesses and killing the high streets across the country.
Whilst allowing a flood of eastern European immigration to infest our country and take millions of jobs,almost broke us, they did worse even than the PIGS and yet vote them back in again who could do that? They should be ashamed Ed Balls is not viable as a politician Labour are not viable as a government.If they are elected it will be the end.

[greygoose]

Bit of a tame rant really, though the idea of family small bushinesses captures the imagination.

[longblackcoat]

Gary11 said:

If they are elected it will be the end.

Better vote for someone else then, eh? Luckily for you, there are other parties to choose from.

Me? Almost certainly voting Labour.

[P-Jay]

Gary11 said:

I am ever curious as to the mind set of the people on the populous polls ie 42% who say they would vote labour,I mean to start Ed Balls? Someone in the thick of the last financial crisis a compulsive liar and spin merchant and Ed Miliband clearly no world statesman with no finacial understanding or coherent policy of his own (I'm being polite).
We are then supposed to forget the absolute financial disaster caused by Gordon Brown and Blair,ruining everything selling all our gold,destroying thousands of viable family small bushinesses and killing the high streets across the country.
Whilst allowing a flood of eastern European immigration to infest our country and take millions of jobs,almost broke us, they did worse even than the PIGS and yet vote them back in again who could do that? They should be ashamed Ed Balls is not viable as a politician Labour are not viable as a government.If they are elected it will be the end.

I'm often confused as to how exactly Brown and Blair managed to collapse the economy of the entire Western World, or perhaps it's just a coincidence that ours fell at the same time as Europe and the US. Could it be that just perhaps, we collectively over spent, over borrowed because we thought we were rich, until the American sub prime market showed us all were weren't.

Or how they forced shoppers to use convenient, well priced out of town shopping centres when they really wanted to use the good old fashioned High Street family run businesses.

Or how they convinced Employers to choose to employ people who have the dam audacity to have been born on the other side of the channel, when there are so many bright, hard working people who look and sound like us just waiting to roll up their sleeves for an honest days pay in exchange for an honest days work. If only Edward Heath hadn't joined the EEC and John Major hadn't signed the Maastricht Treaty then David Cameron could have left the EU without calling for a referendum after the next election.

Or more importantly how they still seem to be pulling the strings three and a half years after Labour left office?

[andymadmak]

longblackcoat said:

Me? Almost certainly voting Labour.

Can you explain why?

I could understand abstaining, spoiling a ballot paper or a vote for the monster raving loony party as some sort of protest. But labour? Really? Have you forgiven them already for the utter chaos they have brought upon our society? Does their economic incompetence really not worry you? Do you agree with mass, uncontrolled immigration as a policy?
I'm not trying to wind you up. I am genuinely curious how you (and millions of others)could ignore what they have done?

Ok, I get that for many it's a question of being a client of the state, and as such you'd support the state that most rewards you, but I somehow don't think you're exactly in that group LBC.

[Scuffers]

so, they did not give away our gold reserves?
or invade two countries?
or commit us to crippling green taxes?
or outspend the countries budget when we should have been in surplus?
or signed doctors to contracts that left out hours cover thats killed people?

want me to go on?

[Muzzer79]

longblackcoat said:

Me? Almost certainly voting Labour.

I could almost understand this if you're someone who is die-hard Labour principles, etc.

But I simply cannot comprehend how anyone, even the most fanatical Labour-ite, can consider Ed Milliband to be a potentially good leader of this country.

Honestly; we'd be a laughing stock. The rest of the world would literally point and laugh at him, like a bullied school child.

[KingNothing]

I don't understand it either, living in the North East, you could dig up Jimmy Saville, pin a red rosette to him, and he'd still get more votes than anyone else. I know older people who'll all they bang on about as the cause of the downfall of this country, is; Thatcher, change the fking record already, it's not like labour had 13 years of continuos power to sort out some of these ills, ohh wait, they did. At least some of them now just say that all politicians are aholes, and so it's not just a total Labour wkfest marathon now, step in the right direction.

[andymadmak]

P-Jay said:

I'm often confused as to how exactly Brown and Blair managed to collapse the economy of the entire Western World, or perhaps it's just a coincidence that ours fell at the same time as Europe and the US.

They didn't collapse the economy of the entire western world. But, they did ensure that we entered recession before most, went deeper than most and stayed in longer than most. They ran budget deficits at times when they REALLY should have been running surpluses and cooked the books to such a degree that when the crap did hit the fan internationally we were in no fit state to deal with it.

P-Jay said:

Could it be that just perhaps, we collectively over spent, over borrowed because we thought we were rich, until the American sub prime market showed us all were weren't.

Could be. But then again who kept telling us that he had abolished boom and bust? Who kept telling us that we could and should spend more. Who spent more and more and more, borrowed at our expense, just to fuel his own political agenda?
Ahh yes that will be Gordon. The same Gordon who loftily waived away the warnings from Lib Dems and Conservatives about Northern Rocks exposure to sub prime. The same Gordon who made it even easier for the banks to dodge around the regulators.....

P-Jay said:

Or how they forced shoppers to use convenient, well priced out of town shopping centres when they really wanted to use the good old fashioned High Street family run businesses.

Not sure what you are on about here.

P-Jay said:

Or how they convinced Employers to choose to employ people who have the dam audacity to have been born on the other side of the channel, when there are so many bright, hard working people who look and sound like us just waiting to roll up their sleeves for an honest days pay in exchange for an honest days work.

Labour wrecked education... check! Meaning that many school leavers are unemployable.... check!
Labour told everyone they should go to Uni (more debt) and expect 50k + Porsche on graduation.. Shock horror these people do not want to pick fruit or work in restaurants.
Labour unleashes mass uncontrolled immigration....result we have a million kids unemployed and often unwilling to work in the "real world" whilst a million foreign people are doing jobs on low pay because of oversupply in the labour market. Well done Labour... especially when you factor in the extra pressure on housing, education, health, transport etc that all these extra people create....

P-Jay said:

If only Edward Heath hadn't joined the EEC and John Major hadn't signed the Maastricht Treaty then David Cameron could have left the EU without calling for a referendum after the next election.

At last! something sensible from you.

P-Jay said:

Or more importantly how they still seem to be pulling the strings three and a half years after Labour left office?

Are you assuming it's only going to take 3.5 years to clean up Labours mess?

[Gargamel]

[Mr_B]

KingNothing said:

I don't understand it either, living in the North East, you could dig up Jimmy Saville, pin a red rosette to him, and he'd still get more votes than anyone else. I know older people who'll all they bang on about as the cause of the downfall of this country, is; Thatcher, change the fking record already. At least some of them now just say that all politicians are aholes, and so it's not just a total Labour wkfest marathon now, step in the right direction.

It's going to be interesting to see if there is any swing to UKIP in the normally safe Labour seats they take for granted. I really don't see why the poorest lot in Labour seats stick with them after 13 years of having done very little, only to walk out the door almost on the day the money ran out and left them to suffer again. Changing to Tory may have been seen as unforgivable, can UKIP provide an alternative ?

[mattnunn]

andymadmak said:

Can you explain why?

Yes

andymadmak said:

Have you forgiven them already for the utter chaos they have brought upon our society?

It's not so bad

andymadmak said:

Does their economic incompetence really not worry you?

If you're going to be incompetent best to do it with economy, the current lot seem much more generous with their incompetence

andymadmak said:

Do you agree with mass, uncontrolled immigration as a policy?

Pretty much yes, I think the general ideal of nation states is increasingly becoming an irrelevance in the modern era and the ideal of them only plays to petty minded ignorant and ill thinking morons, the likes of which vote UKIP, I doubt I share this with the current Labour party leadership though

andymadmak said:

I am genuinely curious how you (and millions of others)could ignore what they have done?

I left university in 1997 and have had 16 years of uniterrupted employment the first 10 of which were in an economy which showed increasing year on year growth, we all knew it was unsustainable, the housing market has at least doubled in that time and I took a tidy profit when I made my last move from South to North, we all knew that it would need to correct, even the stupidest of the stupid, but things aren't exactly falling apart at the seams are they, it's not as if we're in the same mess some other countries are. I think you might be over playing it.

[Soir]

Poor people & public sector workers vote labour because they want as much from the system as possible & don't care where the money comes from

Middle to Rich (generally better educated or wealth creators) vote Tory

Simples

[andymadmak]

mattnunn said:

Stuff

Ok, so basically your response is "I'm alright Jack" and "crisis, what crisis?"

I suppose it takes all sorts to make a world.

[Centurion07]

mattnunn said:

andymadmak said:

Do you agree with mass, uncontrolled immigration as a policy?

Pretty much yes, I think the general ideal of nation states is increasingly becoming an irrelevance in the modern era and the ideal of them only plays to petty minded ignorant and ill thinking morons, the likes of which vote UKIP, I doubt I share this with the current Labour party leadership though

Wow. Just wow.

[jonny70]

milipede spoke for 40 mins at the labour conferences on his parties plans last week , he mentioned one brief sentence on the deficit and spending cuts.Instead he went on about one nation and all other ste .

Hes avoiding the big issues ,whilest Osbourne has confronted them and aims to clear the deficit by the end of next parliament.

[P-Jay]

andymadmak said:

P-Jay said:

I'm often confused as to how exactly Brown and Blair managed to collapse the economy of the entire Western World, or perhaps it's just a coincidence that ours fell at the same time as Europe and the US.

They didn't collapse the economy of the entire western world. But, they did ensure that we entered recession before most, went deeper than most and stayed in longer than most. They ran budget deficits at times when they REALLY should have been running surpluses and cooked the books to such a degree that when the crap did hit the fan internationally we were in no fit state to deal with it.

P-Jay said:

Could it be that just perhaps, we collectively over spent, over borrowed because we thought we were rich, until the American sub prime market showed us all were weren't.

Could be. But then again who kept telling us that he had abolished boom and bust? Who kept telling us that we could and should spend more. Who spent more and more and more, borrowed at our expense, just to fuel his own political agenda?
Ahh yes that will be Gordon. The same Gordon who loftily waived away the warnings from Lib Dems and Conservatives about Northern Rocks exposure to sub prime. The same Gordon who made it even easier for the banks to dodge around the regulators.....

P-Jay said:

Or how they forced shoppers to use convenient, well priced out of town shopping centres when they really wanted to use the good old fashioned High Street family run businesses.

Not sure what you are on about here.

P-Jay said:

Or how they convinced Employers to choose to employ people who have the dam audacity to have been born on the other side of the channel, when there are so many bright, hard working people who look and sound like us just waiting to roll up their sleeves for an honest days pay in exchange for an honest days work.

Labour wrecked education... check! Meaning that many school leavers are unemployable.... check!
Labour told everyone they should go to Uni (more debt) and expect 50k + Porsche on graduation.. Shock horror these people do not want to pick fruit or work in restaurants.
Labour unleashes mass uncontrolled immigration....result we have a million kids unemployed and often unwilling to work in the "real world" whilst a million foreign people are doing jobs on low pay because of oversupply in the labour market. Well done Labour... especially when you factor in the extra pressure on housing, education, health, transport etc that all these extra people create....

P-Jay said:

If only Edward Heath hadn't joined the EEC and John Major hadn't signed the Maastricht Treaty then David Cameron could have left the EU without calling for a referendum after the next election.

At last! something sensible from you.

P-Jay said:

Or more importantly how they still seem to be pulling the strings three and a half years after Labour left office?

Are you assuming it's only going to take 3.5 years to clean up Labours mess?

Judging by the state of the EU Zone bouncing from crisis to crisis and America closing it's government because it can't agree on a budget, whilst our economy recovers I'd question your opinion on our recession - of course, you'll no doubt cite the Conservatives for anything remotely positive and Labour for all things negative - which is CMD method for dealing with their coalition partners too.

I honestly would be interested to see anything dated prior to 2007 in which a Tory or Lib Dem made mention of North Rock, or indeed sub prime debt. I haven't seen any, they fought the 2005 General Election on the topics of immigration limits, hospitals and crime and completely avoided the economy and our deficit.

In regards to my comments about out of town shopping the OP's rant included Gordon Brown some how ruining the high street, my argument being people just stopped shopping there.

Did Labour wreck Education by daring to offer a university placement to everyone? Or perhaps we should just restrict these to nice middle-class kids whose parents can afford it? Again perhaps we're blaming the Government for our own failings? My Son can read and write and use simple mathematics at the age of 7, all the things that the right of the house claim kids can't do at 18, if he falls behind in subjects we work towards improving them at home - we don't treat his education as just childcare whilst we're in work. But Maybe cutting funding for school will improve them?

I'm not assuming the Tories can fix anything in 3.5 years, they do what they do best, They bemoan the BBC for their friends in commercial TV and News, they sell of bits of a profitable bank to their friends behind closed doors and they'll sell the Royal Mail like every publicly owned asset they've sold before, will the tax payer benefit, no, will the Royal Mail customer benefit, no, will the city benefit - Oh should think so, but it's okay - these wealth generators trickle down this money to the great unwashed - well, when they're not claiming their Business is actually owned by their wife, who lives in Monaco.

[Mr_B]

Centurion07 said:

mattnunn said:

andymadmak said:

Do you agree with mass, uncontrolled immigration as a policy?

Pretty much yes, I think the general ideal of nation states is increasingly becoming an irrelevance in the modern era and the ideal of them only plays to petty minded ignorant and ill thinking morons, the likes of which vote UKIP, I doubt I share this with the current Labour party leadership though

Wow. Just wow.

Yes, any kinda immigration control is just wrong, and obviously so if you are Matt.

[anonymous-user]

mattnunn said:

Pretty much yes, I think the general ideal of nation states is increasingly becoming an irrelevance in the modern era ...

Bless. Never heard of sovereign debt?

[Apache]

holy cow! I thought I was a bit dim politically, not that this thread has disproved it.....but there are levels of dimness approaching that of a Black Hole here