parking ticket on part of a yellow line
Discussion
A couple of weeks ago I was issued a ticket because the front of my car was on a single yellow lie. The back wasnt.
I accept that under the spirit of the law I am in the wrong, but my understanding is that there is no spirit in the law. It is either legal or not.
Are the yellow lines legal or not. There is no T bar at the end, which I believe makes them illegal. If that is the case what is the best way to proceed.
Any help / advise welcome. I appreciate that I'll be denegrated for not wanting to fund the gordon brown but the Civil Enforcement Officer really pissed me off.
I accept that under the spirit of the law I am in the wrong, but my understanding is that there is no spirit in the law. It is either legal or not.
Are the yellow lines legal or not. There is no T bar at the end, which I believe makes them illegal. If that is the case what is the best way to proceed.
Any help / advise welcome. I appreciate that I'll be denegrated for not wanting to fund the gordon brown but the Civil Enforcement Officer really pissed me off.
Edited by Simond001 on Saturday 27th February 21:52
streaky said:
I suggest you obscure your number-plate when posting photographs of your car on the Internet - Streaky
I've always wondered why? It's not as if you can't wander around any town centre on any day of the week and see lots of number plates. If someone needs to clone a car, they'll do it whether pictures on the internet exist or not.
spikeyhead said:
I think you deserve a fine for parking that far away from the kerb
Given that the yellow line isn't hard up against whatever physical edge there is to the tarmac (it looks as if there might be a wall there, but it's not obvious what lies beyond the edge of the photo), might I suggest that the OP has parked neatly against the edge of that section of tarmac intended for use by vehicles, and the patch to the left of their vehicle has some other use?
Dwight VanDriver said:
Try an appeal. If that is the end of the line, the repair section has taken away the T bar ending which is a requirement of the line under Traffic Signs and General Directions 2002 Diagr4am 1017. Also mention the poor state of the line itself.
dvd
This ^^^ Look into the wording "acceptable variations: none". In the letter of the law that isn't a single yellow line, it's just some paint on the road.dvd
BliarOut said:
Dwight VanDriver said:
Try an appeal. If that is the end of the line, the repair section has taken away the T bar ending which is a requirement of the line under Traffic Signs and General Directions 2002 Diagr4am 1017. Also mention the poor state of the line itself.
dvd
This ^^^ Look into the wording "acceptable variations: none". In the letter of the law that isn't a single yellow line, it's just some paint on the road.dvd
Tnubridge Wells Council said:
Thank you for your letter regarding the above Penalty Charge Notice.
The legislation that covers this contravention stipulates that if you park your vehicle on yellow lines during restricted hours, for no matter how short a time, you are in contravention of national parking regulations and are liable for a penalty. The onus is on drivers to ensure that they comply with parking regulations and Civil Enforcement Officers are under no obligation to warn drivers prior to issuing a Penalty Charge Notice.
I have considered the circumstances of your appeal in line with the Kent Parking Group policy guidance document on parking enforcement and cancellation but must inform you that our Civil Enforcement Officer's comprehensive notes and photograph (please see attached copy) show that your vehicle was parked on clearly marked yellow lines in contravention of regulations and I do not therefore feel there are sufficient mitigating circumstances on this occasion to merit the cancellation of the Penalty Charge Notice.
However, provided that the Penalty Charge Notice is paid not later than the last day of the period of 14 days beginning with the date of this letter, I am able to accept the reduced rate of £35.00. Cheques and Postal Orders should be made payable to Tunbridge Wells Borough Council and addressed to Parking Services. Alternatively, you can pay via our website, www.tunbridgewells.gov.uk or by credit/debit card on our dedicated payment line 01892 554094, which is open 23½ hours a day, seven days a week (except between 5pm and 5:30pm when the system is closed for essential processing).
Should this Penalty not be paid by the last day of the given time-scale, a ‘Notice to Owner’ will subsequently be sent to the registered owner/keeper of the vehicle. The registered owner/keeper must then, not later than the last day of the period of 28 days beginning with the date on which the Notice is served, either pay the full charge of £70.00 or make a formal appeal in writing on the Notice, which the Council will be under a statutory obligation to consider. If the formal appeal is rejected, they will be sent the forms to allow them to appeal direct to the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, should they wish, for an independent ruling on the matter - which will be binding on all parties. There is no formal right of appeal to the Tribunal until the ‘Notice to Owner’ is issued and returned to us
So what is my next move. I dont want to waste loads of my time with this, but also dont want to rush to court as this just costs the tax payer money. The legislation that covers this contravention stipulates that if you park your vehicle on yellow lines during restricted hours, for no matter how short a time, you are in contravention of national parking regulations and are liable for a penalty. The onus is on drivers to ensure that they comply with parking regulations and Civil Enforcement Officers are under no obligation to warn drivers prior to issuing a Penalty Charge Notice.
I have considered the circumstances of your appeal in line with the Kent Parking Group policy guidance document on parking enforcement and cancellation but must inform you that our Civil Enforcement Officer's comprehensive notes and photograph (please see attached copy) show that your vehicle was parked on clearly marked yellow lines in contravention of regulations and I do not therefore feel there are sufficient mitigating circumstances on this occasion to merit the cancellation of the Penalty Charge Notice.
However, provided that the Penalty Charge Notice is paid not later than the last day of the period of 14 days beginning with the date of this letter, I am able to accept the reduced rate of £35.00. Cheques and Postal Orders should be made payable to Tunbridge Wells Borough Council and addressed to Parking Services. Alternatively, you can pay via our website, www.tunbridgewells.gov.uk or by credit/debit card on our dedicated payment line 01892 554094, which is open 23½ hours a day, seven days a week (except between 5pm and 5:30pm when the system is closed for essential processing).
Should this Penalty not be paid by the last day of the given time-scale, a ‘Notice to Owner’ will subsequently be sent to the registered owner/keeper of the vehicle. The registered owner/keeper must then, not later than the last day of the period of 28 days beginning with the date on which the Notice is served, either pay the full charge of £70.00 or make a formal appeal in writing on the Notice, which the Council will be under a statutory obligation to consider. If the formal appeal is rejected, they will be sent the forms to allow them to appeal direct to the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, should they wish, for an independent ruling on the matter - which will be binding on all parties. There is no formal right of appeal to the Tribunal until the ‘Notice to Owner’ is issued and returned to us
10 Pence Short said:
streaky said:
I suggest you obscure your number-plate when posting photographs of your car on the Internet - Streaky
I've always wondered why? It's not as if you can't wander around any town centre on any day of the week and see lots of number plates. If someone needs to clone a car, they'll do it whether pictures on the internet exist or not.
http://www.appealnow.com/parking-tickets/parking-t...
Permitted variations appears to to be the important wording.
Permitted variations appears to to be the important wording.
Simond001 said:
So what is my next move. I dont want to waste loads of my time with this, but also dont want to rush to court as this just costs the tax payer money.
Write back again reminding them that the onus is on them to maintain the road markings and that the ones you parked next to aren't enforceable.They're just trying to scare you into giving up.
Bill said:
Simond001 said:
So what is my next move. I dont want to waste loads of my time with this, but also dont want to rush to court as this just costs the tax payer money.
Write back again reminding them that the onus is on them to maintain the road markings and that the ones you parked next to aren't enforceable.They're just trying to scare you into giving up.
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Simond001 said:
BliarOut said:
Dwight VanDriver said:
Try an appeal. If that is the end of the line, the repair section has taken away the T bar ending which is a requirement of the line under Traffic Signs and General Directions 2002 Diagr4am 1017. Also mention the poor state of the line itself.
dvd
This ^^^ Look into the wording "acceptable variations: none". In the letter of the law that isn't a single yellow line, it's just some paint on the road.dvd
Tnubridge Wells Council said:
Bla, bla, bla.
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