Defrauded - Griffith project 'J786 CNW'
Defrauded - Griffith project 'J786 CNW'
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rigga

8,808 posts

232 months

Monday 11th November 2013
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From that brief description of him, I'm quite looking forward to this unraveling ....

chrisroe89

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212 posts

162 months

Monday 11th November 2013
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That is literally the tip of the iceberg when it comes to describing what a rat he is. In fact, rats are proven to be intelligent creatures; I don't want to insult them by relating them to ***** ****** wink

I will go into much more depth. Although it wasn't easily obtainable, I know an awful lot about his past going back decades to present day.

Obviously I won't name him . . . I'm hoping someone will contact me with a view to mitigating the situation, perhaps they're all the same. Only time will tell.

im

34,302 posts

248 months

Monday 11th November 2013
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I don't understnd how you came to hand over/transfer any monies without actually receiving the vehicle fella.

What happened to bring this about?

chrisroe89

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212 posts

162 months

Monday 11th November 2013
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Deposit was placed, the original ad removed from eBay under the pretence of me arranging additional storage, it was available in a few weeks. We spoke about five times within that period regarding TVR's in general. He rang me to check storage was still going ahead, we agreed the following Thursday when he would deliver the car. That weekend he relisted it and I rang him to query why, he removed the advert and as a sign of good faith from one enthusiast to another, I paid the money into the bank account he misrepresented as his (it was mummy's).

Sods law, I get home and check an old thread he was talking about. The vehicle was cat c. I questioned this via text and had no response. He said he would find me a Tuscan project that a race team had just north of Manchester, he didn't and then relisted the Griff.

For around 6 weeks I rang him a few times a day with no response. I knew there was a real problem . . . .

I was stupid to transfer the cash, but I didn't think he was actually a lowly pauper as it all seemed legit with the projects he's involved in.

im

34,302 posts

248 months

Monday 11th November 2013
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So this wasn't an e-bay sale then...he had taken off e-bay and you had effectively bought it privately?

I ask because e-bay will give you your money back if the goods aren't delivered and chase the seller themselves.

chrisroe89

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212 posts

162 months

Monday 11th November 2013
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It was essentially a private sale done outside the realms of ebay. I'd only had good experiences with TVR owners and people on PH. Other owners and PH members have had issues with this prat. He is a tumour.

natben

2,749 posts

262 months

Monday 11th November 2013
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Is this the guy who sold the red speed six with very low millage to 2 guys recently.
It would be good if the TVR community could help to get this sorted for you.

It sounds like this guy has a history of fraudulent behavoir so you may have to think about plan B to recover your money!!!.

chrisroe89

Original Poster:

212 posts

162 months

Monday 11th November 2013
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I am not sure if it is him or not as I do not know the story, it wouldn't suprise me.

I think the TVR guys are excellent in offering help, I have just been messaged by a chap. Any thoughts on how anyone else could help would be much appreciated.

He is the lowest of the low, you're spot on with your synopsis of his character. What kind of man implicates their own mother in this sort of mess and then does not have the balls help her out when questions are asked?

I can think of a couple of plan B's. Any suggestions are welcome via PM.

5.0ltr

2,837 posts

230 months

Monday 11th November 2013
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How about just reporting this to the Police? Seems to be fraud at the least.

pjac67

2,040 posts

283 months

Monday 11th November 2013
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Hi Chris - I nearly bought this car off ebay (listing ended 4th Feb 2013) having agreed a price of £2950 (winning bid went over £3k) and to pick the car up in the middle of France, although listing was from a guy called 'jasonrangerover10' with 0 feedback based in Antrim.....

Don't know if this was genuinely the previous owner but our 'friend' subsequently did a TVRSSW Trackday @ Llandow in the summer and o didn't exactly keep a low profile in light of the circumstances....

Very best of luck.

Paul.

chrisroe89

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212 posts

162 months

Monday 11th November 2013
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Hi Paul,

I appreciate your comments. I know the histoty of the vehicle was a bit odd. Our special little 'friend' is clearly under the impression that he is something he's not.

He won't be getting out of this jam too easily, I'm surprised that the apparently 'more legitimate' parties he's associated with aren't concerned by his behaviour.

I can't see it being so easy, but if he/they stump the money up I'll leave it.

RUSSELLM

6,003 posts

278 months

Monday 11th November 2013
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chrisroe89 said:
I am not sure if it is him or not as I do not know the story, it wouldn't suprise me.
I presume it's this one ? ..... http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

infinity

638 posts

315 months

Tuesday 12th November 2013
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5.0ltr said:
How about just reporting this to the Police? Seems to be fraud at the least.
^^^^^^ that's what i'm wondering all the time as well.....???

chrisroe89

Original Poster:

212 posts

162 months

Tuesday 12th November 2013
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infinity said:
5.0ltr said:
How about just reporting this to the Police? Seems to be fraud at the least.
^^^^^^ that's what i'm wondering all the time as well.....???
It is a perfectly logical question. However, I would rather not discuss any action I may or may not be taking on a public forum.

im

34,302 posts

248 months

Tuesday 12th November 2013
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chrisroe89 said:
infinity said:
5.0ltr said:
How about just reporting this to the Police? Seems to be fraud at the least.
^^^^^^ that's what i'm wondering all the time as well.....???
It is a perfectly logical question. However, I would rather not discuss any action I may or may not be taking on a public forum.
Trouble is Chris, you've piqued everybody's curiosity by posting about the issue in the first place.

wink

Can you not hint at why the Police aren't involved yet or even that they are and perhaps you're trying to supplement their on-going investigations with action of your own?

K4TRV

1,819 posts

283 months

Tuesday 12th November 2013
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Can't you get Crimewatch or the Rogue Traders Program to pick it up and we can then all watch it unfurl in the comfort of home/pub wherever????

Must be worth a shout to the TV Producers??

T

chrisroe89

Original Poster:

212 posts

162 months

Tuesday 12th November 2013
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im: I really can't say anything on the police front; obviously this is an open forum so I'm confident that the decrepit weasel is reading this too!

K4TRV: I'd rather keep things off camera for the time being. Saying that, I quite like the idea of popcorn, the whole family and a good laugh at his expense!


TVRinBFG

1,462 posts

315 months

Tuesday 12th November 2013
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Hi Chris - It's intriguing and tell me to buzz off if you think I am being nosey; but did you ever actually physically see the vehicle; and/or, were you sure it was actually his to sell?

chrisroe89

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212 posts

162 months

Tuesday 12th November 2013
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Hi James,

I never physically saw it, however it has appeared in several threads on here posted by him and I have a few accounts of people seeing him with the vehicle etc.

He definitely had it but couldn't resist stealing my money when push came to shove. He's done similar things fairly recently but in different contexts and has a very checkered history.

I think people need to know what he's really like so that no one deals with him in future.

Walford

2,259 posts

197 months

Tuesday 12th November 2013
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I know this is not helpful in this case, but i bought my salvage Tuscan off of TVRDean, they rang me 6 hours after I,d transferred the money, and told me the car was ready for collection, they get a lot of sh,t on here, but i have dealt with them a number of time,s and they bin 100% straight with money