RE: Driven: Porsche GT3 RS 4.0
Discussion
johnpeat said:
That's great, but the terms he's using mean nothing whatsoever (other than to him) - they're part of a long, tired cliche...
It's not uncommon with people who drive cars and try to express their thoughts either - Evo magazine disappeared up it's own arse YEARS ago talking about 'nuggety' handling (like nuggets of what?) and allsorts of other terms which are almost entirely meaningless...
Let's talk 'analog' too - that 911 has PASM - electronic damper control - hardly 'analog' is it??? It might not be the 'Eurofighter' level of intervention that a 599GTO has, but it's NOT analog - nothing made in the last 15 years is, really...
It's also a massive cliche to keep talking about "the last..." of anything - there's always something better to come - always - which covers my point from the PoV of those who've spent a tonne on a 3.8 and are thinking 'oh s
t' too 
p.s. lovely car - it's just not the 'last of' anything, really...
well I think my first of the breed almost qualifies for analogue...It's not uncommon with people who drive cars and try to express their thoughts either - Evo magazine disappeared up it's own arse YEARS ago talking about 'nuggety' handling (like nuggets of what?) and allsorts of other terms which are almost entirely meaningless...
Let's talk 'analog' too - that 911 has PASM - electronic damper control - hardly 'analog' is it??? It might not be the 'Eurofighter' level of intervention that a 599GTO has, but it's NOT analog - nothing made in the last 15 years is, really...
It's also a massive cliche to keep talking about "the last..." of anything - there's always something better to come - always - which covers my point from the PoV of those who've spent a tonne on a 3.8 and are thinking 'oh s
t' too p.s. lovely car - it's just not the 'last of' anything, really...
mk1 996 GT3
real springs & dampers
no TC
throttle cable (!)
but it does have ABS...(hangs head in shame)
but I certainly would have the 4.0 (aswell...)
FishFace said:
You can substitute it with you doing all the work or the car doing all the work, if that helps.
Well, I went to a bunch of car dealers recently. And I have to tell you, I still havent found a car for sale yet that will steer, accelerate, and brake, all by itself.To this day, every car I've ever driven still requires me to provide the inputs. Its just that the cars are getting better.
I dont mourn progress.
big_rob_sydney said:
FishFace said:
You can substitute it with you doing all the work or the car doing all the work, if that helps.
To this day, every car I've ever driven still requires me to provide the inputs. Its just that the cars are getting better. I dont mourn progress.
Brake from a 3 figure speed in a 458 for a slow first gear corner and all you have to do is pull the left hand paddle towards you and hold it there while you brake. Engine speeds and gear changes are all matched perfectly for you by the ECU.
You need slightly more inputs in a manual car like the RS to get the same results.
nicklonguk said:
Rubbish - the American Mustang was the last of the true analogue horses. Everything since then has been tamed to the point that anyone can ride them at speed.
that makes the last horse I rode a renault megane then...excellent car mind, sort of see what OP is getting at even if it is dotted with the odd cliche
Davey S2 said:
Correct but the inputs required in some modern cars are miniscule.
Brake from a 3 figure speed in a 458 for a slow first gear corner and all you have to do is pull the left hand paddle towards you and hold it there while you brake. Engine speeds and gear changes are all matched perfectly for you by the ECU.
You need slightly more inputs in a manual car like the RS to get the same results.
Hmm, well we've had automatic cars for years, so you dont even have to pull a left hand paddle. Compared to that, this means the 458 is MORE analogue.Brake from a 3 figure speed in a 458 for a slow first gear corner and all you have to do is pull the left hand paddle towards you and hold it there while you brake. Engine speeds and gear changes are all matched perfectly for you by the ECU.
You need slightly more inputs in a manual car like the RS to get the same results.
In all seriousness, who really cares? We went from drum brakes to disc. Progress. We went from disc to ABS. Progress.
We've gone from disc to ceramic. Progress.
Even the 458's have stopped making manuals at all.
Its just more and more goodness. Cars today go, stop, and handle better than ever, and yet we have people moaning more and more.
And what makes me laugh, is that they then put on a pompous attitude, as if they can stop progress with their whining alone.
Get over it people. Failing that, go and buy the dinosaurs you all seem to love so much.
I look back at cars in the past, and just think they're "quaint", at best.
big_rob_sydney said:
Hmm, well we've had automatic cars for years, so you dont even have to pull a left hand paddle. Compared to that, this means the 458 is MORE analogue.
In all seriousness, who really cares? We went from drum brakes to disc. Progress. We went from disc to ABS. Progress.
We've gone from disc to ceramic. Progress.
Even the 458's have stopped making manuals at all.
Its just more and more goodness. Cars today go, stop, and handle better than ever, and yet we have people moaning more and more.
And what makes me laugh, is that they then put on a pompous attitude, as if they can stop progress with their whining alone.
Get over it people. Failing that, go and buy the dinosaurs you all seem to love so much.
I look back at cars in the past, and just think they're "quaint", at best.
You seem to forget that enthusiast cars such as this are built to satisfy us, and not simply provided as something to get from A>B with minimal effort. In all seriousness, who really cares? We went from drum brakes to disc. Progress. We went from disc to ABS. Progress.
We've gone from disc to ceramic. Progress.
Even the 458's have stopped making manuals at all.
Its just more and more goodness. Cars today go, stop, and handle better than ever, and yet we have people moaning more and more.
And what makes me laugh, is that they then put on a pompous attitude, as if they can stop progress with their whining alone.
Get over it people. Failing that, go and buy the dinosaurs you all seem to love so much.
I look back at cars in the past, and just think they're "quaint", at best.
Progress doesn't always have to equal technical advancement.
Dr S said:
Did you ever drive a 7 GT3 variant? This is neither no frills nor trackday only. I'm using my 7.2 GT3 as a daily drive, it is absolutely easy to live with day to day. The RS is no more hardcore than that. The ride is even more compliant.
If you want harsh, no frills and track day then you need to go down the Radical (or similar) route...
Spot on mate in find mine the most comfortable car I have ever drivenIf you want harsh, no frills and track day then you need to go down the Radical (or similar) route...
I have owned both 996 and 997 GT3.
I have owned many Ferrari including Stradale,F40 and currently 458Spider and Scuderia.
All have been / are fantastic and great to drive.
I love the FI box-the Stradale being the first of this type to really deliver and since 2004
the F1 box has just got better and better.
All have and continue to put a smile/grin on my face.
BUT
I found the box on the GT3 and the drive and sound to be much more organic,so much more satisfying.
BUT
So is the Scud !
A 991 GT3 arrives 29th August and I am looking forward to how that drives etc.
You pays your money and you makes your choice.
I have owned many Ferrari including Stradale,F40 and currently 458Spider and Scuderia.
All have been / are fantastic and great to drive.
I love the FI box-the Stradale being the first of this type to really deliver and since 2004
the F1 box has just got better and better.
All have and continue to put a smile/grin on my face.
BUT
I found the box on the GT3 and the drive and sound to be much more organic,so much more satisfying.
BUT
So is the Scud !
A 991 GT3 arrives 29th August and I am looking forward to how that drives etc.
You pays your money and you makes your choice.
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