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Prometheus - Ridley Scott's 'Alien Prequel' (or not)...

Prometheus - Ridley Scott's 'Alien Prequel' (or not)...

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JonRB

50,260 posts

184 months

Friday 5th October 2012
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Guvernator said:
Lol too true, what a way to p*ss away a stunning first installment. To be honest though a lot of on screen sci-fi suffers from this problem. They come up with a brilliant idea\concept but then don't know how to conclude it properly. I wonder if they are just worried that they'll loose a huge number of their target audience if they make it too cerebral so go for the easy\dumbed down ending instead.
Indeed. When Neo takes out a Sentinel at the end of the 2nd film, I was convinced that they were going to play a very clever "dream within a dream" idea, and that he was still in the Matrix. Not dissimilar to the TV film "Virtual Nightmare" in which the protagonist learns that what he thinks of as reality is not, and then when he breaks through into the "real" world he finds that isn't real either and breaks through that too. Not unlike Inception that followed both years later, I guess.

Anyway, instead they just had a lame cop-out of "uh, The One can affect the Real World too" rolleyes

Also I hated the way they absolutely spoon-fed the audience that Agent Smith had broken through into the Real World.

Halb

33,888 posts

95 months

Friday 5th October 2012
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I liked the real world idea. It was the natural evolution. The brain gives off signals, like a wifi box, so why shouldn't you control machines with those signal if you knew how. Thought it was ace. Plus a consciousness is just a bunch of signals so you could download yourself like Smith.
I know I may be in a minority here.biggrin

MysteryLemon

4,781 posts

103 months

Friday 5th October 2012
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I'm watching this tonight. Was desperate to see it at the cinema but never got the chance.

By all accounts, I'm expecting it to be a bag of st so hopefully I will be pleasantly surprised...

Raify

6,552 posts

160 months

Friday 5th October 2012
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Halb said:
I liked the real world idea. It was the natural evolution. The brain gives off signals, like a wifi box, so why shouldn't you control machines with those signal if you knew how. Thought it was ace. Plus a consciousness is just a bunch of signals so you could download yourself like Smith.
I know I may be in a minority here.biggrin
[Sticks fingers in ears] There are no Matrix sequels, there are no Matrix sequels, there are no Matrix sequels, there are no Matrix sequels.

JonRB

50,260 posts

184 months

Friday 5th October 2012
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Raify said:
[Sticks fingers in ears] There are no Matrix sequels, there are no Matrix sequels, there are no Matrix sequels, there are no Matrix sequels.


Full version at http://xkcd.com/566/

Edited by JonRB on Friday 5th October 20:39

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Pesty

36,565 posts

168 months

Friday 5th October 2012
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MysteryLemon said:
I'm watching this tonight. Was desperate to see it at the cinema but never got the chance.

By all accounts, I'm expecting it to be a bag of st so hopefully I will be pleasantly surprised...
Get used to disappointment.

MysteryLemon

4,781 posts

103 months

Friday 5th October 2012
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Just finished.

Not bad actually. Not really sure what your all moaning about. I enjoyed it!

It has faults if you sit there and pick at it but as a whole it works. I never felt lost or confused. All seemed to make sence to me.


DamienB

1,028 posts

131 months

Friday 5th October 2012
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MysteryLemon said:
All seemed to make sence to me.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=sence

MysteryLemon

4,781 posts

103 months

Saturday 6th October 2012
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I wasn't going to bother replying but decided I didn't want some bellend finishing this topic moaning about a fking spelling mistake...

Halb

33,888 posts

95 months

Saturday 6th October 2012
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Pesty said:
Get used to disappointment.
Who are you?

Pesty

36,565 posts

168 months

Saturday 6th October 2012
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Halb said:
Pesty said:
Get used to disappointment.
Who are you?
No one of consequence

Bill Carr

2,234 posts

146 months

Saturday 6th October 2012
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MysteryLemon said:
It has faults if you sit there and pick at it but as a whole it works. I never felt lost or confused. All seemed to make sence to me.
Really? Woman gives birth to a squid? Using a machine she - by rights - has no idea how to use. Man turns into weird crab-zombie thing. Bloke decides - with no evidence whatsoever - that the goo they have discovered is a bio-weapon that will be used to destroy earth. Disc-shaped spacecraft manages to crash land perfectly upright so it can roll along creating a perfect situation of peril for our protaganists.

WTF? biggrin

It's not a complicated film, just a rubbish one.

MysteryLemon

4,781 posts

103 months

Saturday 6th October 2012
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Oh yeah there were plot holes if you want to pick it apart but I didnt feel I really needed to know why that stuff happened.

Lots of things happen in films just because they do. Its a SciFi movie. There are no rules.

I liked it.

DrTre

12,955 posts

144 months

Saturday 6th October 2012
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MysteryLemon said:
Oh yeah there were plot holes if you want to pick it apart but I didnt feel I really needed to know why that stuff happened.

Lots of things happen in films just because they do. Its a SciFi movie. There are no rules.

I liked it.
Not sure it needed to be picked apart at all, it simply fell apart of its own accord in front of my eyes.

I'm all for suspending disbelief, in fact I actively enjoy it and it's what films should do/encourage, but this one so jarringly misfired and so often it was like the Chuckle Brothers wrote it.

Glad you liked it though, each to their own.

magpie215

2,155 posts

101 months

Saturday 6th October 2012
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Bill Carr said:
Disc-shaped spacecraft manages to crash land perfectly upright so it can roll along creating a perfect situation of peril for our protaganists.
Oh come on that one is easy the flight gyro had been knocked of its gimbal and was operating 90 degrees from horizontal :-)

JonRB

50,260 posts

184 months

Saturday 6th October 2012
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Pesty said:
Halb said:
Pesty said:
Get used to disappointment.
Who are you?
No one of consequence
Nicely done, both of you. clap

smile



Jasandjules

59,341 posts

141 months

Saturday 6th October 2012
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magpie215 said:
Oh come on that one is easy the flight gyro had been knocked of its gimbal and was operating 90 degrees from horizontal :-)
The dip gyro isn't working? The dip gyro isn't working? What the feck is a dip gyro?!?***






  • * or something like that - from Best Defence...

Stedman

5,932 posts

104 months

Saturday 6th October 2012
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Can't help thinking the ship rolling doesn't need to be one of the parts bisected by us (you lot hehe). It's a film, it happens. Just accept it please! However I do understand people ripping into the plot holes etc, which is fine.

I'm looking forward to the blue ray version, just for the deleted scenes etc.

Oakey

20,436 posts

128 months

Saturday 6th October 2012
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magpie215 said:
Bill Carr said:
Disc-shaped spacecraft manages to crash land perfectly upright so it can roll along creating a perfect situation of peril for our protaganists.
Oh come on that one is easy the flight gyro had been knocked of its gimbal and was operating 90 degrees from horizontal :-)
It's better than that. When the ship takes off and is being pursued by the Prometheus, it's actually quite some distance away from Vickers and Shaw by the time Prometheus crashes into it (it's actually beyond the pyramid structures).

Then, for reasons I can't understand, the ship begins to fall in the direction of Vickers and Shaw which is the complete opposite direction it was travelling.

It also happens to be a lot closer to them contrary to what we'd just seen.

Watchman

4,301 posts

157 months

Saturday 6th October 2012
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Watched it finally - It was a decent-enough sci-fi flick with enough links into the Alien 'verse to keep you wondering what will happen in the next movive, but it was disappointing that there was so little real crossover with the other films.