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roboxm3

1,671 posts

80 months

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FellowPazzini said:
Chipping is so hard. My scores would be vastly improved if I could hit the -50 yard distances better. There is just no consistency with my chipping and I've not a clue how to fix it. I usually use the 60 deg. wedge within range, just the right tempo results in me 80/20 thinning it further the opposite side of the green so when I take a little slower it goes up and down 5 feet in front of me. Very frustrating indeed, can get next to the green in 2 on a par 5 (sometimes) then it'll take another 6 or 7 shots from less than 20 yards.

Any tips, drills, helpful vid links or books would be most appreciated smile
With chipping, I was taught that you need to be really positive, really trust the loft of the club be 100% commited.
You need to be hitting down on the ball and accelerating through impact - any doubts re. the above and you're likely to start trying to lift the ball and / or decellerate through impact, which will likely result in a thin or duff of some kind.

Another thing to consider is that you don't alwys need to be taking a wedge or your most lofted clubs and landing the ball dead at the pin.
Depending on how far you are from the green and the location of the pin, you can aim to carry the ball onto the green and let it roll-out to the pin following the below carry/roll ratio as a guide: -

SW = 1:1 (1 yard carry - 1 yard roll)
PW = 1:2 (q yard carry - 2 yards roll)
9i = 1:3
8i = 1:4
etc

Personally, when playing any sort of 'delicate' shot I'll always focus on the front (nearst the target) of the ball, to help me focus on hitting through it and prevent me from backing off or fatting.

ETA. Oh and hands ahead of the clubhead / ball at impact...

Edited by roboxm3 on Friday 5th October 16:10

RLK500

838 posts

137 months

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FellowPazzini said:
Chipping is so hard. My scores would be vastly improved if I could hit the -50 yard distances better. There is just no consistency with my chipping and I've not a clue how to fix it. I usually use the 60 deg. wedge within range, just the right tempo results in me 80/20 thinning it further the opposite side of the green so when I take a little slower it goes up and down 5 feet in front of me. Very frustrating indeed, can get next to the green in 2 on a par 5 (sometimes) then it'll take another 6 or 7 shots from less than 20 yards.

Any tips, drills, helpful vid links or books would be most appreciated smile
Chipping is hard to do well from a variety of lies and situations. However no reason why everyone should not be able to chip from a flat lie pretty well.

So here goes, I will provide some tips on performing a basic chip.

1. Pick a club you will chip with and use this club all the time. Try not to flip between clubs at this stage. Generally a more lofted club will throw the ball higher with less run out, a less lofted club vice versa. There is no right club, the one you are most comfortable with is probably the best choice at this point.

2. Basic setup is feet together, weight 60/40 on the left leg for a r/h golfer. Flex the knees. This is an arm swing so the body stays quiet. Stand slightly open, ball is placed perpendicular to the right ankle.

3. Club shaft is leant forwards and hands are ahead of the ball. The hands always stay ahead of the ball, if the club head passes the hands you will be flipping at the ball and this will cause thins.

4. The swing is an arm swing, no body or leg action at all. Concentrate on hitting down into the back of the ball, not picking it off the turf. (if you do it perfectly you may just make a tiny divot) Your weight always stays forward as with your hands, everything is forward, weight, hands, and club, sending the ball forward, not up. There should be no wrist action or flipping. Try to keep everything firm but don't grip the hell out of the club. A good test is to take the club back you should be able to feel the weight of the club head without it wobbling about.

When starting this routine start by just hitting the ball, don't worry about distance just get the swing action and strike going, the distance control can come later.

You will hit thins and duffs, but so do the pro's so don't worry about it. Just try and groove a repeatable method. Vital things are too keept the body quiet and watch the club into the back of the ball.

Hope this helps.

FloppyRaccoon

1,916 posts

51 months

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FellowPazzini said:
Chipping is so hard. My scores would be vastly improved if I could hit the -50 yard distances better. There is just no consistency with my chipping and I've not a clue how to fix it. I usually use the 60 deg. wedge within range, just the right tempo results in me 80/20 thinning it further the opposite side of the green so when I take a little slower it goes up and down 5 feet in front of me. Very frustrating indeed, can get next to the green in 2 on a par 5 (sometimes) then it'll take another 6 or 7 shots from less than 20 yards.

Any tips, drills, helpful vid links or books would be most appreciated smile
If possible, I'd use a lower loft wedge and just take a shorter swing. Bump and runs with a PW are much easier, and more consistent (for me). Either that or the 52 deg wedge if I have less room to play with. I'll only bring out the 60deg wedge if the ball needs to get up quick, or stop quick.

When I was younger I used to just take out my lob wedge whenever I got near the green, it's out much less now and I shoot lower scores.

Might not work for you, but it's something to think about!

marksx

1,978 posts

75 months

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Well, much better today, after my 161 the other week, I went back to a smaller course.

My swing was a lot better, far less duffs and tops.

We played a 9 hole twice, as the proper 18 was booked up. The par for the course was 60 and I shot 98. I even got a par! Still crap but a whole magnitude better! Everything felt much easier today. Except the short 10 yard chip. That's hard. I hate it!

SpeckledJim

7,742 posts

138 months

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marksx said:
Well, much better today, after my 161 the other week, I went back to a smaller course.

My swing was a lot better, far less duffs and tops.

We played a 9 hole twice, as the proper 18 was booked up. The par for the course was 60 and I shot 98. I even got a par! Still crap but a whole magnitude better! Everything felt much easier today. Except the short 10 yard chip. That's hard. I hate it!
That's an improvement of c.1 shot per hole. Take heart, and carry on.
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DuncanM

2,354 posts

164 months

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SpeckledJim said:
That's an improvement of c.1 shot per hole. Take heart, and carry on.
More than 3 shots per hole improvement smile

Well done, now you're playing golf!

marksx

1,978 posts

75 months

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Thanks!

Our next course/challenge, is the local municipal 18 hole course. 6400 yard, par 72!

Eek!

spikeyhead

8,704 posts

82 months

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marksx said:
Well, much better today, after my 161 the other week, I went back to a smaller course.

My swing was a lot better, far less duffs and tops.

We played a 9 hole twice, as the proper 18 was booked up. The par for the course was 60 and I shot 98. I even got a par! Still crap but a whole magnitude better! Everything felt much easier today. Except the short 10 yard chip. That's hard. I hate it!
Can you putt a ball the right distance? If so then just hit the ball with a wedge using the same amount of force and it'll be close. Have a practice and you'll soon get the hang of it.


SpeckledJim

7,742 posts

138 months

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DuncanM said:
SpeckledJim said:
That's an improvement of c.1 shot per hole. Take heart, and carry on.
More than 3 shots per hole improvement smile

Well done, now you're playing golf!
I have no idea how I got to 1.

DuncanM

2,354 posts

164 months

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spikeyhead said:
Can you putt a ball the right distance? If so then just hit the ball with a wedge using the same amount of force and it'll be close. Have a practice and you'll soon get the hang of it.
This 100%

Because I don't play often enough to practice fancy chipping, I simply use my putting stroke (including grip) with a PW and putt it towards the hole.

So bloody effective and easy!

marksx

1,978 posts

75 months

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spikeyhead said:
Can you putt a ball the right distance? If so then just hit the ball with a wedge using the same amount of force and it'll be close. Have a practice and you'll soon get the hang of it.
Thanks, I'll try that next time I'm out.

Rosscow

2,173 posts

48 months

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I played golf yesterday, first time since playing The Belfry in April, that's what happens when you move/renovate house and have another baby (where has the year gone?!).

I had a good front nine, out in 45 and scored 21 points playing off of 24.

Back nine wasn't so hot, had 3 blobs and shot 54 <_<

Great to get out there again though smile

SpeckledJim

7,742 posts

138 months

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FloppyRaccoon said:
FellowPazzini said:
Chipping is so hard. My scores would be vastly improved if I could hit the -50 yard distances better. There is just no consistency with my chipping and I've not a clue how to fix it. I usually use the 60 deg. wedge within range, just the right tempo results in me 80/20 thinning it further the opposite side of the green so when I take a little slower it goes up and down 5 feet in front of me. Very frustrating indeed, can get next to the green in 2 on a par 5 (sometimes) then it'll take another 6 or 7 shots from less than 20 yards.

Any tips, drills, helpful vid links or books would be most appreciated smile
If possible, I'd use a lower loft wedge and just take a shorter swing. Bump and runs with a PW are much easier, and more consistent (for me). Either that or the 52 deg wedge if I have less room to play with. I'll only bring out the 60deg wedge if the ball needs to get up quick, or stop quick.

When I was younger I used to just take out my lob wedge whenever I got near the green, it's out much less now and I shoot lower scores.

Might not work for you, but it's something to think about!
I second this. A 60 degree wedge isn't an easy club to hit. It offers a very narrow window to the ball for correct contact. Great tool if you can use it, harmful if you can't.

Play a lower shot with a pitching wedge and plan for more run. Being inspired by the pros who pepper the flag, and can plan for, and deliver, backspin isn't a good idea.

If you find you're often needing quick up and downs from a very lofted shot then you're either fixating on the flag instead of the heart of the green, or need to start planning your approaches earlier (on the tee) in order to manage your approach direction better.

FellowPazzini

2,864 posts

56 months

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Thanks for all the advice chaps. Floppy & Rob, you're probably right there, most/all of my golfing buddies do it that way but problem being the 1st game after the purchase of my 60 deg wedge I had a stormer & most shots ended up there or there abouts so I'm in the frame of mind why would I need to learn a bump and run system when I can just plonk it next to the flag. All be it that way is what is causing more hassle at the moment but I'm putting that down to not knowing how to use it properly yet. If all else fails then I shall use the bump and run system no doubt. Cheers.

Thanks RLK500. I will certainly try out them simple steps smile Got a half game tomorrow so I'll give it a whirl sticking to your tips. Another question though sorry. What kind of distances would you start using your legs,hips,rotating etc?

SpeckledJim

7,742 posts

138 months

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FellowPazzini said:
Thanks for all the advice chaps. Floppy & Rob, you're probably right there, most/all of my golfing buddies do it that way but problem being the 1st game after the purchase of my 60 deg wedge I had a stormer & most shots ended up there or there abouts so I'm in the frame of mind why would I need to learn a bump and run system when I can just plonk it next to the flag. All be it that way is what is causing more hassle at the moment but I'm putting that down to not knowing how to use it properly yet. If all else fails then I shall use the bump and run system no doubt. Cheers.

Thanks RLK500. I will certainly try out them simple steps smile Got a half game tomorrow so I'll give it a whirl sticking to your tips. Another question though sorry. What kind of distances would you start using your legs,hips,rotating etc?
Dispersion for a lofted shot is almost always worse than for a bump and run. Even the real wizards on tour, if they have the room, get it on the deck and rolling as a preference.

For us muggles, 20 high pitches will almost always have a worse dispersion (including one or two total disasters) than 20 chips at the same target.

The problem (as always) is ego. We've seen Big Phil flopping like a hero, we've managed to replicate it a few times, and the emotional reward from throwing a ball WAAAAY up in the air and dropping it stiff outweighs the actual goal - which is getting it in the hole as quickly and safely as possible.

From 50', most reasonable golfers can chip to 8' or better pretty reliably, then the putt is 50/50. Faced with a 50' high pitch and quick-stop over a bunker, those same golfers won't get up-and-down with anything like the same frequency.

The floor is your friend. It only has two dimensions in which it can screw you over. Get it on the deck.



DuncanM

2,354 posts

164 months

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SpeckledJim said:
Dispersion for a lofted shot is almost always worse than for a bump and run. Even the real wizards on tour, if they have the room, get it on the deck and rolling as a preference.

For us muggles, 20 high pitches will almost always have a worse dispersion (including one or two total disasters) than 20 chips at the same target.

The problem (as always) is ego. We've seen Big Phil flopping like a hero, we've managed to replicate it a few times, and the emotional reward from throwing a ball WAAAAY up in the air and dropping it stiff outweighs the actual goal - which is getting it in the hole as quickly and safely as possible.

From 50', most reasonable golfers can chip to 8' or better pretty reliably, then the putt is 50/50. Faced with a 50' high pitch and quick-stop over a bunker, those same golfers won't get up-and-down with anything like the same frequency.

The floor is your friend. It only has two dimensions in which it can screw you over. Get it on the deck.
Great post, nicely put smile

spikeyhead

8,704 posts

82 months

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I've recently moved to the Stoke area and fancy a few hacks round a course. Is anyone local?

SpeckledJim

7,742 posts

138 months

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spikeyhead said:
I've recently moved to the Stoke area and fancy a few hacks round a course. Is anyone local?
I'm local, friendly-ish, and a 'flexible member' with De Vere, so can get you on a few nice local courses at low cost. Are you:

  • a lunatic off the internet?
  • utterly useless and in denial? (utterly useless is fine - the denial bit is very frustrating after 3 holes in an hour)
  • bewitched by a £300 driver you use to fire yourself 30 degrees right on every single tee
  • willfully ignorant of the etiquette
  • some other terrible thing I can't even imagine?

FellowPazzini

2,864 posts

56 months

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Consider myself told boxedin Just thought it would be harder to be honest. Thought judging the roll through the grass before the green and during would have been harder than chipping it straight on there. Suppose there's nothing to lose at this stage of learning anyways, shall hive it a whirl smile

SpeckledJim

7,742 posts

138 months

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FellowPazzini said:
Consider myself told boxedin Just thought it would be harder to be honest. Thought judging the roll through the grass before the green and during would have been harder than chipping it straight on there. Suppose there's nothing to lose at this stage of learning anyways, shall hive it a whirl smile
Rarely should you be rolling on non-green surfaces (but on a well-tended course in good conditions, you might)

A good point to start is to use a trajectory that puts the ball's first bounce onto the green/short stuff as close to you as possible, with as little loft as possible. Remember, loft brings spin, and the more spin on the ball, the less predictable the first and second bounces will be.

Imagine getting from where you are to the hole by throwing the ball - and your life depends on getting it within 4 feet. Would you whirl your arm and fire the ball way into the air, or would you gently usher it with a little forward spin underarm, fingers downwards and roll it along the ground? That's what you want replicate with a club.

If you've got a situation of bumps and hollows that merits more carry, then fine, but always work to the principle that carry is dangerous and as such is to be minimised where possible.

Using lots of carry might pay off in any given situation, but it WILL backfire horribly on occasion. How often depends on your shot choices and shot-making skill.

A steady chipping stroke is about as easy as golf ever gets, and getting good at it will pardon a lot of sins elsewhere in your game.

Getting good at lob/flop shots is bloody difficult, and if you're playing with your brain in gear, not a shot you'll often need.

Playing matchplay against a guy who is often getting up-and-down from off the green thanks to a good chipping stroke is also bloody frustrating! It's good fun being that guy...




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