Ringing kits for sale on ebay...No not on our watch!
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rovermorris999 said:
This isn't a Clubman is it? The front end looks wrong.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1972-Tax-Exempt-Mini-Pro...
Enough there otherwise to make up the points needed I'd guess.
Indeed. It could be rebuilt using the shell as the basis for the build. Not a clubman as you say. Minis are valuable nowadays. I can well remember when such cars were just without value. Classic car market is steadily rising. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1972-Tax-Exempt-Mini-Pro...
Enough there otherwise to make up the points needed I'd guess.
Facebook conversation...
Me said:
So you've kept the identity so you can use the body on something else and am selling the rolling chassis with no documentation whatsoever?
What's that called again?
What's that called again?
Owner said:
Its called a Hotrod
Me said:
It's called "Ringing".
Legally you are fitting an older body to a newer chassis. Nice project by the way. But; you have to retain the chassis to keep the identity as it is the major donor part. Swapping the identity of any vehicle over to a different chassis is illegal. If you are doing it to bypass the SVA or save money making the result M.O.T and Tax exempt it's fraud. You won't be able to get insurance legally either.
Legally you are fitting an older body to a newer chassis. Nice project by the way. But; you have to retain the chassis to keep the identity as it is the major donor part. Swapping the identity of any vehicle over to a different chassis is illegal. If you are doing it to bypass the SVA or save money making the result M.O.T and Tax exempt it's fraud. You won't be able to get insurance legally either.
Owner said:
Thank you for the info LK i will phone and speak to dvla and by the way i'm not interested in saving money by making it exempt iwant to keep it a year related plate
Me said:
https://www.gov.uk/vehicle.../radically-altered-ve...
Provided you haven't altered the MX5 chassis you should be able to put the car through a normal M.O.T without the £400 IVA. Once done you can pick up a number plate from any registry and for £85 plus the cost of the plate Elite Registrations or someone similar can get you an aged looking number (but they will have to stay white and yellow you can not put black and silver plates on anything registered after 1973).
Provided you haven't altered the MX5 chassis you should be able to put the car through a normal M.O.T without the £400 IVA. Once done you can pick up a number plate from any registry and for £85 plus the cost of the plate Elite Registrations or someone similar can get you an aged looking number (but they will have to stay white and yellow you can not put black and silver plates on anything registered after 1973).
Owner said:
The mx5 is still mot'd for another 8 mths but will get it re-tested anyway
Me said:
http://www.eliteregistrations.co.uk/wcEliteReg.asp...
Dateless number plates start at £75
By doing it the right way short term I've saved you a headache, long term heartache. I hate to see peoples project put through compactors due to paper chasers.
Dateless number plates start at £75
By doing it the right way short term I've saved you a headache, long term heartache. I hate to see peoples project put through compactors due to paper chasers.
Owner said:
good info cheers
Sounds reasonable enough and he didn't know he was potentially breaking the law. Crisis averted. Edited by Liquid Knight on Sunday 2nd August 09:51
Liquid Knight said:
Apart from the number of differences between a standard Sapphire shell and Cosworth shell I'm afraid you have either been misinformed or are mistaken.
You can not ring the identity from one shell onto another legally unless it's a brand new Heritage or Motorsport shell and you retain almost all of the donor parts from the vehicle in accordance to the DVLA point system. Your listing is just identification and nowhere near enough to qualify for a legal transfer.
You may not be aware of this but selling the identity to use on another car is a criminal offence.
If that identity is used to ring a stolen vehicle you are an accessory to the theft of a motor vehicle and could face up to ten years in prison for it.
If the identity is used to elevate the value of a vehicle for resale you are an accessory to fraud. Five to ten years for that.
If the identity is used to ring a previously written off vehicle that's also fraud but if the vehicle is bodged together misrepresented when sold and it fails on the road causing death or serious injury you will be an accessory to manslaughter. Fifteen years to life.
From your username and feedback I can see you are new at this so may be unaware of the hole you could end up in if you sell that item. The Police monitor eBay as well as other motoring organisations so the winning bidder may turn up with hand cuffs and a warrant rather than cash.
Whilst i admire your intent most of that was compleat bYou can not ring the identity from one shell onto another legally unless it's a brand new Heritage or Motorsport shell and you retain almost all of the donor parts from the vehicle in accordance to the DVLA point system. Your listing is just identification and nowhere near enough to qualify for a legal transfer.
You may not be aware of this but selling the identity to use on another car is a criminal offence.
If that identity is used to ring a stolen vehicle you are an accessory to the theft of a motor vehicle and could face up to ten years in prison for it.
If the identity is used to elevate the value of a vehicle for resale you are an accessory to fraud. Five to ten years for that.
If the identity is used to ring a previously written off vehicle that's also fraud but if the vehicle is bodged together misrepresented when sold and it fails on the road causing death or serious injury you will be an accessory to manslaughter. Fifteen years to life.
From your username and feedback I can see you are new at this so may be unaware of the hole you could end up in if you sell that item. The Police monitor eBay as well as other motoring organisations so the winning bidder may turn up with hand cuffs and a warrant rather than cash.
ks, probably more bks than some of the ringing kit adverts conatain !
GC8 said:
The identity belongs with the chassis (suspension/brakes etc) and not the body, on a vehicle such as this.
To sell it without is not an offence.
Exactly, but use the identity with the body to age a newer chassis is an offence. To sell it without is not an offence.
It's all taken car of now. The guy didn't know he was doing wrong and has bought an ageless registration for the MX5
Thank you for your concerns as to my well being. I appreciate it.
iSore said:
GC8 said:
If he carries on, I think that someone will hurt him. If he is lucky it'll be a punch in the face. If he is unlucky then he may end up on the news.
With 13'000 posts, I doubt he ever leaves the house tbh.My understanding is it is not actually illegal to sell the V5 and chassis tags of a particular vehicle, but it is an offence to use them on another vehicle.
Ringing is not a legal term either, dvla may reference it, and have the ability to pull the ID from their system but it is not a word that would be used in a prosecution.
I imagine the OP is one of those types that has a fluorescent jacket on the parcel shelf of his hatchback and drives on the inside lane of the motorway at 69 mph with a stern look on his face hoping everyone thinks he is plod!
Ringing is not a legal term either, dvla may reference it, and have the ability to pull the ID from their system but it is not a word that would be used in a prosecution.
I imagine the OP is one of those types that has a fluorescent jacket on the parcel shelf of his hatchback and drives on the inside lane of the motorway at 69 mph with a stern look on his face hoping everyone thinks he is plod!
PAUL500 said:
My understanding is it is not actually illegal to sell the V5 and chassis tags of a particular vehicle, but it is an offence to use them on another vehicle.
Ringing is not a legal term either, dvla may reference it, and have the ability to pull the ID from their system but it is not a word that would be used in a prosecution.
I imagine the OP is one of those types that has a fluorescent jacket on the parcel shelf of his hatchback and drives on the inside lane of the motorway at 69 mph with a stern look on his face hoping everyone thinks he is plod!
Back on topic please ladies and gentlemen (you can tell it's the school holidays can't you?). It is an offence under the vehicle licensing and registration act to retain the log book of a scrapped vehicle. If you have criminal intent or not it is an offence to sell the identity of a vehicle to change the identity of another. Ringing is not a legal term either, dvla may reference it, and have the ability to pull the ID from their system but it is not a word that would be used in a prosecution.
I imagine the OP is one of those types that has a fluorescent jacket on the parcel shelf of his hatchback and drives on the inside lane of the motorway at 69 mph with a stern look on his face hoping everyone thinks he is plod!
Whether you know what the identity is being used for or not, whether it is being used criminally or not (there is no legal use for a ringing kit so that point is a contradiction) a very high ranking judge once told me...
"Ignorance is no defense".
I have made these points before and backed them up with links to the appropriate legislation and laws but as this thread is more than a hundred and forty characters long unlike the CPS and Crown I'll forgive you for not knowing.
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