New teachers strike wtf
Discussion
Was listening to the head of one teaching union this morning saying that teachers will probably strike because
1. They have had a pay freeze for two years
2. The average teacher gets a pension of £10k
3. Pension age is increasing
4. What they have to pay in is going up 3% so an effective pay cut now
5. Get less pension
6. The govt will not supply the basic information they have requested which is they want an updated position on the teachers pension fund which last time re govt told them was in surplus.
Why will noone explain the last point to her there is no find it's pay as you go. Due to that reason sadly they cannot eat into whatever surplus which they were told existed.
Fact is as we all know private sector went through losing most final salary schemes years ago and the ones which are left they are changing to CARE at higher cost to the employee. Plus of course the govt have set a defecit reducing budget so each part of the govt is taking cuts- if the teachers don't want the cuts on them can they please state which govt dept needs to be cut more to compensate for them.... Fact is they cannot say that nor will they.
My wife is more than happy to pay in more as a teacher she accepts the situation sure it's not nice but even after the changes it's still an exceptional scheme which the vast majority of people of the uk don't get a fraction of.
1. They have had a pay freeze for two years
2. The average teacher gets a pension of £10k
3. Pension age is increasing
4. What they have to pay in is going up 3% so an effective pay cut now
5. Get less pension
6. The govt will not supply the basic information they have requested which is they want an updated position on the teachers pension fund which last time re govt told them was in surplus.
Why will noone explain the last point to her there is no find it's pay as you go. Due to that reason sadly they cannot eat into whatever surplus which they were told existed.
Fact is as we all know private sector went through losing most final salary schemes years ago and the ones which are left they are changing to CARE at higher cost to the employee. Plus of course the govt have set a defecit reducing budget so each part of the govt is taking cuts- if the teachers don't want the cuts on them can they please state which govt dept needs to be cut more to compensate for them.... Fact is they cannot say that nor will they.
My wife is more than happy to pay in more as a teacher she accepts the situation sure it's not nice but even after the changes it's still an exceptional scheme which the vast majority of people of the uk don't get a fraction of.
Headteachers are voting on a strike about now, or have they done so already?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2011/may/01/he...
'The NAHT is generally known to take a moderate stance so its decision to ballot will be all the more difficult for ministers. The union said the ballot would be held in the autumn.'
'The National Union of Teachers and the Association of Teachers and Lecturers are likely to strike in June and again in the autumn.'
http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2011/may/01/he...
'The NAHT is generally known to take a moderate stance so its decision to ballot will be all the more difficult for ministers. The union said the ballot would be held in the autumn.'
'The National Union of Teachers and the Association of Teachers and Lecturers are likely to strike in June and again in the autumn.'
A pay freeze is so so bad in comparison with a pay reduction or actually losing your job, which is what is happening to people in the REAL WORLD you selfish little 
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Oh great - we have this self-centred, ungrateful, whiny bunch of tossers in charge of educating and inspiring our children.
s!Oh great - we have this self-centred, ungrateful, whiny bunch of tossers in charge of educating and inspiring our children.
Its ridiculous that they think they should be left out of government cuts. The country is bankrupt.
I am now paying in 10% to keep my pension fund going and my employer pays 14%. Add to this they have been hit with top ups over the years.
Teachers striking has a very bad knock on effect and keeps parents home too. I really hope they vote a resounding No to the ballot but am not hopeful.
I am now paying in 10% to keep my pension fund going and my employer pays 14%. Add to this they have been hit with top ups over the years.
Teachers striking has a very bad knock on effect and keeps parents home too. I really hope they vote a resounding No to the ballot but am not hopeful.
PugwasHDJ80 said:
let them all go on strike
friend of mine is a Music teacher, on £39k plus pension, benefits (full maternity pay for a good long time), and its almost impossible to get sacked.
seriously £39k for a music teacher?
Oh, and don't forget the twelve weeks holiday a year, in service days (GRRRRRR) and short working week, the leftie wfriend of mine is a Music teacher, on £39k plus pension, benefits (full maternity pay for a good long time), and its almost impossible to get sacked.
seriously £39k for a music teacher?
kers, Sorry but I cannot stand the tts.Edited by RVVUNM on Thursday 15th September 11:52
Considering the trouble that the unions will cause no matter what happens with the government efficiency savings, I can't understand why they don't simply make public sector pay fully for their pensions and make larger pay cuts, get it over and done with rather than making token cuts that achieve nothing and still getting hassle from the left-wing s.
s.PugwasHDJ80 said:
let them all go on strike
friend of mine is a Music teacher, on £39k plus pension, benefits (full maternity pay for a good long time), and its almost impossible to get sacked.
seriously £39k for a music teacher?
Yeah but the have to deal with school kids with a machine-gun, taser or even a baseball batfriend of mine is a Music teacher, on £39k plus pension, benefits (full maternity pay for a good long time), and its almost impossible to get sacked.
seriously £39k for a music teacher?
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k thatPugwasHDJ80 said:
let them all go on strike
friend of mine is a Music teacher, on £39k plus pension, benefits (full maternity pay for a good long time), and its almost impossible to get sacked.
seriously £39k for a music teacher?
At £39k she won't be "just" a Music teacher. Chances are she's Head of Department (or something). Also sounds like she's got IRO ten years service so she's probably an experienced music teacher. The pension is part of her contract. The maternity rights are statutory (so available to everybody) although she probably gets a good rate of OMP.friend of mine is a Music teacher, on £39k plus pension, benefits (full maternity pay for a good long time), and its almost impossible to get sacked.
seriously £39k for a music teacher?
I guess the thing is, as with Bankers, CEOs etc, the jobs are available to everybody. If you think they're that well-paid feel free to apply for them.
Personally I would rather go to the Dentist than be a Teacher (of any sort in any school)
Although Gym teacher in a posh girls school has a certain attraction
I was discussing this with a friend's husband yesterday - he's a secondary school teacher. I said that although I felt for them losing out on a previously agreed pension I thought that they were far from alone in taking pain and that mass strikes by the public sector were one way of severely pissing off the public, his response was "It's not about appeasing the public" - which I really didn't get. Public opinion is massively important in any political action and if he can't see that going up against the gov't without it is an uphill battle, then I'm not sure has fully grasped the situation - politicans are unlikely to move from what they want to do if they know that the majority of the voting public will support them.
This is the same person who in the past has said to me "I don't know how you cope with only four weeks holiday a year"
This is the same person who in the past has said to me "I don't know how you cope with only four weeks holiday a year"
Strike away. From the experience of members of my family many kids won't notice that their teacher isn't there. This is one that the government can't lose; about time that the leftie unions realised that there is no sympathy for their cause from those of us who work in the real world.
0a said:
Strike away. From the experience of members of my family many kids won't notice that their teacher isn't there. This is one that the government can't lose; about time that the leftie unions realised that there is no sympathy for their cause from those of us who work in the real world.
Welshbeef said:
6. The govt will not supply the basic information they have requested which is they want an updated position on the teachers pension fund which last time re govt told them was in surplus.
Why will noone explain the last point to her there is no find it's pay as you go. Due to that reason sadly they cannot eat into whatever surplus which they were told existed.
Where did the surplus go then?Why will noone explain the last point to her there is no find it's pay as you go. Due to that reason sadly they cannot eat into whatever surplus which they were told existed.
Not sure what the issue is here - there is published information that it's currently running at a bit of a deficit, but that will correct itself as contributions increase and the 2007 becomes more dominant.
More generally, I always think this constant attack on public sector pensions is completely mis-guided. Everyone should have the pensions they do - people in the private sector should be up in arms about their own pensions, not the public sectors. Bet your boss has a good pension.
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