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pablo said:
ferrisbueller said:
Professional athlete and all that, but bloody hell that's impressive.
If you havent seen it, this is a good video with behind the scenes footage from the team car.https://road.cc/content/news/117122-video-follow-o...
TKF said:
Since you keep going on about them curiosity got the better and I had a look.
It looks like there are 4, not half a dozen. Of those 4; 2 are a duplicate of the same segment and ridden by 4 people, 1 is in a housing estate that's been ridden by 2 people.
Given how much you've spat your dummy about these pointless "KOMs" I'm wondering whether Strava is really for you. Maybe the whole internet to be honest.
As this thread is about strava, and assuming this is true (which I'm sure it is as Tkf is a by-word for integrity and Honour), what do we think about KOM hunters that do this and then keep going on about their KOMs on the web? It's a strange phenom omen as I have several proper cyclists on my feed who pick up very impressive KOMs that I am happy to give kudos to. It's a shame there's not a negative kudos button in some ways!!It looks like there are 4, not half a dozen. Of those 4; 2 are a duplicate of the same segment and ridden by 4 people, 1 is in a housing estate that's been ridden by 2 people.
Given how much you've spat your dummy about these pointless "KOMs" I'm wondering whether Strava is really for you. Maybe the whole internet to be honest.
Military.
Here's a local segment that's a classic example of someone going out purely to claim a KOM. Okay, so the guy in question is a pro, but his ride was all of 19 miles long whereas the previous holder did the segment a second slower as part of an 82-miler!
http://www.strava.com/segments/612791
http://www.strava.com/segments/612791
Not really looked ay this thread much mainly due to posts like above, people take it so seriously its unreal. how people get so bent out of shape about it all is unreal.
I really enjoy using strava as a log for my own rides and improvements. Yes its quite satisfying to see that you may higher in the segments times than others but who really cares.
If you look at strava as a sport itself within cycling and use KOM as achievements then fair enough to you. I'l just keep happily using it to log my miles and keep self motivating myself for improvement.
I really enjoy using strava as a log for my own rides and improvements. Yes its quite satisfying to see that you may higher in the segments times than others but who really cares.
If you look at strava as a sport itself within cycling and use KOM as achievements then fair enough to you. I'l just keep happily using it to log my miles and keep self motivating myself for improvement.
Rouleur said:
Here's a local segment that's a classic example of someone going out purely to claim a KOM. Okay, so the guy in question is a pro, but his ride was all of 19 miles long whereas the previous holder did the segment a second slower as part of an 82-miler!
http://www.strava.com/segments/612791
I bet Kristian House is gutted!http://www.strava.com/segments/612791
TKF said:
Since you keep going on about them curiosity got the better and I had a look.
It looks like there are 4, not half a dozen. Of those 4; 2 are a duplicate of the same segment and ridden by 4 people, 1 is in a housing estate that's been ridden by 2 people.
Given how much you've spat your dummy about these pointless "KOMs" I'm wondering whether Strava is really for you. Maybe the whole internet to be honest.
Correct. There are currently 4. The other two were surpassed by better/faster riders. My son was one of them. Kudos was duly given to both, as they were fair and square.It looks like there are 4, not half a dozen. Of those 4; 2 are a duplicate of the same segment and ridden by 4 people, 1 is in a housing estate that's been ridden by 2 people.
Given how much you've spat your dummy about these pointless "KOMs" I'm wondering whether Strava is really for you. Maybe the whole internet to be honest.
Correct. 2 are, broadly speaking, one and the same segment. However. I cannot prevent folk from setting up overlapping segments, I just ride them. That one (two?) is (are?) a toughy, too. A significant portion is over sand, with the rest split between muddy tracks and a tarmac section to join them up.
Correct. Bang to rights with this one. Someone set up a segment that starts directly outside his office. Childishly, I rode it for a laugh. I enjoyed it, so I rode it a couple of times. Sad? Maybe. But I soon tired of 'hunting' these 'secret' segments.
Spitting the dummy? Not really. I'm fully aware of the fact that Strava doesn't amount to much in reality. But it doesn't stop people cheating their way to the top of leaderboards, and being cantankerous with flagging other peoples rides. Internet not for me? Maybe I should give it up. But I've been [revented from driving and cycling for a while with a (cycling) injury, and suffered from anxiety and depression issues before that, as a result of my military service. The internet has been a bit of a lifeline for me these last (nearly) 3 months.
As I've maintained all along, it's not the KOMs that mean anything to me. It's me taking offence to being called a liar that you can't seem to get your head around. All of those achievements (and all my lesser placings, and PRs) have been set by me, riding a bike, under my own power. I wouldn't 'cheat' my way to better times, because ultimately i'd only be cheating myself. Why flag rides that aren't suspicious in the slightest? What does such a person gain from their nefarious activities?
Fotic said:
TKF said:
Since you keep going on about them curiosity got the better and I had a look.
It looks like there are 4, not half a dozen. Of those 4; 2 are a duplicate of the same segment and ridden by 4 people, 1 is in a housing estate that's been ridden by 2 people.
Given how much you've spat your dummy about these pointless "KOMs" I'm wondering whether Strava is really for you. Maybe the whole internet to be honest.
As this thread is about strava, and assuming this is true (which I'm sure it is as Tkf is a by-word for integrity and Honour), what do we think about KOM hunters that do this and then keep going on about their KOMs on the web? It's a strange phenom omen as I have several proper cyclists on my feed who pick up very impressive KOMs that I am happy to give kudos to. It's a shame there's not a negative kudos button in some ways!!It looks like there are 4, not half a dozen. Of those 4; 2 are a duplicate of the same segment and ridden by 4 people, 1 is in a housing estate that's been ridden by 2 people.
Given how much you've spat your dummy about these pointless "KOMs" I'm wondering whether Strava is really for you. Maybe the whole internet to be honest.
Military.
Now, I don't want to bore the rest of the nice folk on here to tears, so I'd really like that to be my last pronouncement on the matter.
Thanks for the support, dawgs!
numtumfutunch said:
You should really have taken my advice from earlier - delete the ride then upload again
Much less stress for you
Thank you for your concern. (Although I may consider your advice at a later date, if I still have the GPX? file on my Garmin).Much less stress for you
I am happy to report that I am currently entirely stress free, and absolutely full of roast beef and chocolate eggs.
TKF said:
Were you in the military then yellowjack? You've kept that quiet!
I have mentioned it. Guilty as charged. I can't see why I should have any reason to be ashamed of the fact. I'm rather proud of some of the things I was involved in during my 25 years in uniform, although there are some things I'd rather not remember.It was mentioned in the context of this thread, because integrity was an important cornerstone of my career. Integrity reallyshould matter. If it's not important to you, that's your business. It means a lot to me, in the same way as faith in God means a lot to someone who is religious.
On Sat I went out with the specific intention of nabbing a 40 minute segment off a work colleague. Hopefully I'll get a snotty email, in good spirit of course, on Tuesday morning.
Then hopefully he'll go out to try and claim it back. In a month or so, with more training under my belt, I'll have another go at it. With a bit of luck, this tit for tat will give me the impetus to get out fr more rides.
Segment bashing it may be, but with an underlying reason.
Then hopefully he'll go out to try and claim it back. In a month or so, with more training under my belt, I'll have another go at it. With a bit of luck, this tit for tat will give me the impetus to get out fr more rides.
Segment bashing it may be, but with an underlying reason.
TKF said:
40 minute segments are a fair bit different to whizzing around a housing estate for half a mile, beating the only other person that's ridden it then casually dropping into every conversation "yeah I've got a few KOMs. I was in the military. INTEGRITY!!!!"
Now now TKF 
stop fishing, you've had yer bite 
TSCfree said:
TKF said:
40 minute segments are a fair bit different to whizzing around a housing estate for half a mile, beating the only other person that's ridden it then casually dropping into every conversation "yeah I've got a few KOMs. I was in the military. INTEGRITY!!!!"
Now now TKF stop fishing, you've had yer bite I'm quite happy reading his posts, imagining him hunched over his keyboard, foaming at the mouth. No doubt he has a similar image of me, twisted into odd shapes by my uncontrollable rage.
I never mentioned KOMs in a boastful way, or at least I never meant it that way. To be frank, when I finally got the GPS, I never really expected to get anywhere near the top ten leaderboards. I only got involved with Strava to do away with keeping an 'old school' cycling diary. In fact, back when I first mentioned the 'housing estate' segment referred to, I admitted that it was a rather childish thing to do, and I only 'targeted' that one because I found it hilarious that a pan flat segment roughly parallel with the M3 motorway was listed as a "Cat 4" climb. It was also in the very early days of Garmin ownership, to be fair, so the novelty value of being able to ride segments, combined with too much free time, led to some activities which, looking back, might well lead others to point and laugh. Prior to that, I'd only been able to manually upload data taken from a basic cycle computer, which didn't allow me to compare myself with me, or anyone else for that matter. Like I said. Pure novelty value at first.
TKF and others might not think highly of me. I don't really care. Their opinion is their business, and I've no desire to try to change it. As has been pointed out in numerous posts, I'm not a quick rider. I'm fully aware of the fact that most half decent, regular riders locally are pacier than I am. I've never really been quick at anything. Not 'tabbing' (military geekspeak, apologies), not swimming, not kayaking, not running or cycling. I can keep going all day though, which means I'm out enjoying the fresh air longer, and it keeps the wife happy
I'm be more than happy to let this subject lie now, and let the thread get back on track. I honestly never imagined that one of my posts would stir up such committed sentiment and debate on the subject of 'how to be a sad lad' and I would like to formally apologise to anyone who's been thoroughly bored by this derailment.
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