E46 M3 v E92 M3

[Welshbeef]

E30M3SE said:

Depends on which figures you wish to believe, I've seen figures ranging from 11 to 12.4 seconds.

http://fastestlaps.com/cars/bmw_m3_e46.html

http://fastestlaps.com/cars/audi_rs6_c5.html

Edited by E30M3SE on Tuesday 22 April 21:10

And the E92 M3 is 9.0 seconds... That's a huge difference.
Also the E36 M3 Evo power to weight is nearly identical to the E46 - but handling is better in E 46.

[cerb4.5lee]

E30M3SE said:

Depends on which figures you wish to believe, I've seen figures ranging from 11 to 12.4 seconds.

http://fastestlaps.com/cars/bmw_m3_e46.html

http://fastestlaps.com/cars/audi_rs6_c5.html

Edited by E30M3SE on Tuesday 22 April 21:10

I think autocar tested it at around 11.5 secs to 100 but agree they do vary.

[Welshbeef]

cerb4.5lee said:

I think autocar tested it at around 11.5 secs to 100 but agree they do vary.

I'll take the 11.5 seconds Autocar are very accurate and have been for a very long time frame.

So we are talking about what is now M135i performance levels... How times have moved the game on!

[bennyboysvuk]

Welshbeef said:

I'll take the 11.5 seconds Autocar are very accurate and have been for a very long time frame.

So we are talking about what is now M135i performance levels... How times have moved the game on!

I thought the M135i was in the tens, so the E46 M3 gives away over half a second.

Re my earlier comment, perhaps it's not that the E46 M3 isn't so quick these days, it's just that the game has moved on. Especially when you consider a 330d Xdrive is hitting 60 in 5.2s these days.

[Welshbeef]

bennyboysvuk said:

I thought the M135i was in the tens, so the E46 M3 gives away over half a second.

Re my earlier comment, perhaps it's not that the E46 M3 isn't so quick these days, it's just that the game has moved on. Especially when you consider a 330d Xdrive is hitting 60 in 5.2s these days.

And the 335d Xdrive is something like 4.6 seconds which is quicker than the E92 M3 .... And the remapped versions will be a step on too.


What are the new F30 330d and 335d 0-100mph times as this speed increment really shows the true ability of a car rather than the 0-62

[NORTS]

Depends what stats you go from though doesn't it. US car mag can't think of the name right now that tested the E92 M3 DCT with launch control and got 4.3secs. Also others on the net claiming similar. As has been mentioned 0-100 or 1/4 mile times show a better idea of performance.

[Wills2]

Welshbeef said:

And the 335d Xdrive is something like 4.6 seconds which is quicker than the E92 M3 .... And the remapped versions will be a step on too.


What are the new F30 330d and 335d 0-100mph times as this speed increment really shows the true ability of a car rather than the 0-62

No the MDCT e92 is 4.6 to 62, the 335d is 4.8 the 435d shaves a 10th of that at 4.7, so all of them near as damn it the same, over 60 the M3 would be pulling away in a straight drag.

But we don't live life as a drag race, real world the 335d would probably be easier to drive quickly in my opinion.

330d is about 15sec, 335d 13 secs, M3 about around 10 secs depending on which test you read.

An M car isn't just about 0-100 times it's about a great engine, chassis balance, turn in etc....

[jon-]

I've missed something, when did the 3 series dervs start breaking 5 to 60?!

My friend has a remapped (yo) e90 335d and I'm sure that's still above 5.

[Wills2]

When the F series came out with AWD and the ZF 8 speed gearbox.

4.8 to 62 and 50 mpg + AWD is hard not to ignore, you can get one for 33k from the internet brokers as well.

I've not driven a F30 335d but did have a F31 330d for the weekend when they came out and that was bloody quick these modern diesels just give you the grunt when you need it in everyday driving, I reckon the 335d xdrive will be a bit of a weapon.

[bennyboysvuk]

Wills2 said:

No the MDCT e92 is 4.6 to 62, the 335d is 4.8 the 435d shaves a 10th of that at 4.7, so all of them near as damn it the same, over 60 the M3 would be pulling away in a straight drag.

But we don't live life as a drag race, real world the 335d would probably be easier to drive quickly in my opinion.

330d is about 15sec, 335d 13 secs, M3 about around 10 secs depending on which test you read.

An M car isn't just about 0-100 times it's about a great engine, chassis balance, turn in etc....

I completely agree, I would hazard a guess that like the E92 M-Sports vs the E92 M3, the F30 M3 is likely to have much thicker ARBs front and most definitely rear, plus an LSD, which means exiting roundabouts in the M3 can be done without use of the steering wheel, instead using clever interactive rear wheel steering.

[Welshbeef]

Wills2 said:

No the MDCT e92 is 4.6 to 62, the 335d is 4.8 the 435d shaves a 10th of that at 4.7, so all of them near as damn it the same, over 60 the M3 would be pulling away in a straight drag.

But we don't live life as a drag race, real world the 335d would probably be easier to drive quickly in my opinion.

330d is about 15sec, 335d 13 secs, M3 about around 10 secs depending on which test you read.

An M car isn't just about 0-100 times it's about a great engine, chassis balance, turn in etc....

335d to 100 in 13 seconds is the time of the old E90 335d ditto the E90 330d time and the E90 335i did the 0-100mph barely half a second quicker than the 335d at 12.6seconds.

The old 335d did 0-62mph in 6.2 seconds while the F30 335d does it in 4.8 seconds I just cannot find any article anywhere with the official times 0-100mph.

F30/31 335d M Sport is an absolute weapon and 53mpg combined to boot (65mpg on m ways and mid 40's urban!!!)

[Wills2]

Welshbeef said:

Wills2 said:

No the MDCT e92 is 4.6 to 62, the 335d is 4.8 the 435d shaves a 10th of that at 4.7, so all of them near as damn it the same, over 60 the M3 would be pulling away in a straight drag.

But we don't live life as a drag race, real world the 335d would probably be easier to drive quickly in my opinion.

330d is about 15sec, 335d 13 secs, M3 about around 10 secs depending on which test you read.

An M car isn't just about 0-100 times it's about a great engine, chassis balance, turn in etc....

335d to 100 in 13 seconds is the time of the old E90 335d ditto the E90 330d time and the E90 335i did the 0-100mph barely half a second quicker than the 335d at 12.6seconds.

The old 335d did 0-62mph in 6.2 seconds while the F30 335d does it in 4.8 seconds I just cannot find any article anywhere with the official times 0-100mph.

F30/31 335d M Sport is an absolute weapon and 53mpg combined to boot (65mpg on m ways and mid 40's urban!!!)

IIRC I saw a thread stating the F series 335d does 100 in 11.7secs earlier today, that sound nearer the mark?

[Welshbeef]

Wills2 said:

IIRC I saw a thread stating the F series 335d does 100 in 11.7secs earlier today, that sound nearer the mark?

That would make sense - that's an incredibly quick time regardless of Fuel type. E39 M5 C5 RS6 w210 E55 all beaten by that performance and it does well over double the mpg of those cars. Impressive engineering - Im very very tempted.

[Patrick Bateman]

That is obviously very impressive performance but being pedantic- as ever of course, that's not faster than an M5 or an RS6.

It's not far away but I'll keep fighting the V8 cause.

If you were seriously tempted would you not miss the V8? A 335d, albeit quick, always sounds like a head choice and not a heart choice to my ears.

[Welshbeef]

Wills2 said:

IIRC I saw a thread stating the F series 335d does 100 in 11.7secs earlier today, that sound nearer the mark?

http://www.f30post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=886339

Bloody hell it does 0-30mph in 1.9 seconds!!!!
0-62in 4.64 seconds!!!!
This in a car with 1,500 miles.

Quicker then the E46 M3 but the e92 M3 takes the win but not by very much. A great achievement from a diesel.

[Leins]

Why has this thread on M3s descended into bloody 335d talk again???

And Welshbeef, am I sensing you're bored / scared / annoyed with the RS6 already?

[e46man]

E92 is only m3 that had v8 and i doubt that there will be another. Well i say only v8 m3, there was e46gtr but they all collectors item and there is slim chance of getting one even if had money to buy one.
So i say e92 with v8, burn that rubber...

[bennyboysvuk]

e46man said:

E92 is only m3 that had v8 and i doubt that there will be another. Well i say only v8 m3, there was e46gtr but they all collectors item and there is slim chance of getting one even if had money to buy one.
So i say e92 with v8, burn that rubber...

Or how about this E36 M3 with Judd V8. I love this vid AND it gets the thread back onto serious petrol motors again. It's just wouldn't make a terribly good car for the morning commute

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZsGTBWmN41s

[Welshbeef]

Leins said:

Why has this thread on M3s descended into bloody 335d talk again???

And Welshbeef, am I sensing you're bored / scared / annoyed with the RS6 already?

I love it the noise the presence the lol thrust going down a straight the family do all package - take stuff to the dump do the huge shopping etc.
But its a 12 year old car which I'm using as a daily doing 15k ish a year... As a comparison the fuel consumption of the E92M3 is 25% more efficient/frugal and its quicker, the jobs if we anything goes wrong on the car are mega truely eye watering. Its costing me more to do business miles than I am paid to do them even after claiming the tax back. We also now have another estate car in the household as such the need for 2 estate cars is not required.

Anyway so far I've had it coming up to 10K miles and I was never intending on keeping it long term just an itch I had to scratch. Actually looking at the classifieds - which does highlight its a slow seller - prices are higher than I paid for it though we buy any car believe its a £3k car...which is a joke.

[mikey P 500]

Bumping an old topic, considering getting into an M3 with a £15k budget should I be looking E46 M3 (lots of choice) or getting an e92 (less choice and higher miles but V8), would be low mile use so mpg isn't an issue but reliability (occasional track use)) and general running costs is there much to choose.