Employment question - can anyone help?
Discussion
I'm happy to write about this under my sign on as I don't actually think anyone knows who I am.
To cut a long story short - 10 months ago I left my old employer to work for a competitor, but to do a job which is very very different quite high up in the 'chain'.
The job has been very hard and i've never really adjusted - which is gutting as until now I'd never struggled with any of my jobs and actually left a promotion in my old company to move.
About a week ago I realised things were just unsustainable in the "new" role - i was miserable, the hours were terrible, I just wasn't that great at it and frankly there was no future in the company.
Long story short, it turns out they were thinking the same thing and this afternoon pulled me aside and suggested that i a) resign or b) follow the 'formal' process of going through performance reviews etc which will, lets be honest, end in the same way as they've already got their minds made up. Strange considering 4 weeks ago i was told it was all going fine and my job was safe (in those words).
Gutted, angry, upset, hollow.
Rather than just having a moan, i have a couple of questions i was hoping you guys may know the answer to
1) Will my employment reference state that I resigned - or simply the dates i left the company? I'm debating whether i can say i was made redundant - simply because I'm unlikely to find work within the months notice and I feel redundancy is better than "leaving of my own free will"
2) Does anything I've said sound dodgy? I can't imagine that they haven't planned it, but the fact they told me all was well 4 weeks ago is pretty irritating.
Any comments welcome, but answers greatly appreciate.
Cheers boys
t
To cut a long story short - 10 months ago I left my old employer to work for a competitor, but to do a job which is very very different quite high up in the 'chain'.
The job has been very hard and i've never really adjusted - which is gutting as until now I'd never struggled with any of my jobs and actually left a promotion in my old company to move.
About a week ago I realised things were just unsustainable in the "new" role - i was miserable, the hours were terrible, I just wasn't that great at it and frankly there was no future in the company.
Long story short, it turns out they were thinking the same thing and this afternoon pulled me aside and suggested that i a) resign or b) follow the 'formal' process of going through performance reviews etc which will, lets be honest, end in the same way as they've already got their minds made up. Strange considering 4 weeks ago i was told it was all going fine and my job was safe (in those words).
Gutted, angry, upset, hollow.
Rather than just having a moan, i have a couple of questions i was hoping you guys may know the answer to
1) Will my employment reference state that I resigned - or simply the dates i left the company? I'm debating whether i can say i was made redundant - simply because I'm unlikely to find work within the months notice and I feel redundancy is better than "leaving of my own free will"
2) Does anything I've said sound dodgy? I can't imagine that they haven't planned it, but the fact they told me all was well 4 weeks ago is pretty irritating.
Any comments welcome, but answers greatly appreciate.
Cheers boys
t
If you resign are they going to sweeten the deal with a good severance package?
It's not really redundancy. To be blunt they want rid of you not the role. Might be easier to spin the story to a new employer that you weren't a good fit for the role and chose to leave rather than getting the push for poor performance.
Sounds like you were miserable anyway and who knows you may end up with a job that's better for you. Work to live ...
It's not really redundancy. To be blunt they want rid of you not the role. Might be easier to spin the story to a new employer that you weren't a good fit for the role and chose to leave rather than getting the push for poor performance.
Sounds like you were miserable anyway and who knows you may end up with a job that's better for you. Work to live ...
Any performance management would have to allow a reasonable opportunity for you to show improvement. Find out what the company process and timescales involve. Even if you feel you are unlikely to improve sufficiently within the timescale it does give you breathing space to find another job. If you are a member of a union, speak to them now rather than waiting to see what happens.
Since this is a senior role, and they've said they want you to leave, its normal form to negociate the terms. For instance, money in lieu of 3 months notice and an agreed reference. The normal approach here is that you write your own reference, offer it to them for edit and hopefully reach agreement on final words.
Notwithstanding anything else, if you resign you cut yourself off from the benefit system for quite a while.
Most references these days limit themselves to facts such as A worked for us in Y role from z.z.20zz to d.d.20dd so I wouldn't expect that to be a big issue in future.
Why are they loathe to just sack you? You haven't been there a year so you can't get them through unfair dismissal, is it because there is a large contractural notice period which they don't fancy paying?
Most references these days limit themselves to facts such as A worked for us in Y role from z.z.20zz to d.d.20dd so I wouldn't expect that to be a big issue in future.
Why are they loathe to just sack you? You haven't been there a year so you can't get them through unfair dismissal, is it because there is a large contractural notice period which they don't fancy paying?
Just consider they are going to struggle to get shot on performance if you can show that they where happy enough with your performance not to bring it up as something needing addressing. However they can make your life miserable, a compromise agreement or depending on the company size a potential move sideways or diagonally may also be in order.
Life is too short to be doing something you don't enjoy if you don't absolutely have to do it.
Life is too short to be doing something you don't enjoy if you don't absolutely have to do it.
gjf764 said:
Google 'compromise agreement'
PM me and I can let you know what I know
Is this applicble with less than 12months service?PM me and I can let you know what I know
OP - if they sweeten the pill eg PILON and you are unhappy....take the money and run.
The assumption is that they are offering you redundancy?
Nowadays most references only state start and finish dates with role/title. The phone call to check on reality is what many fear.
It is one of my hates that managers/leaders do not have the b4lls to give subordinates honest and timley feedback i.e a month ago, all was rosey in the garden.
Hope it works out (in the new job, in due course)
I have been in a situation where I became unhappy with my role and had the feeling that those senior to me also thought this. It was 100% time to leave and right to do so, but in resigning quickly when I started to think this I made it more difficult for myself in the long run, failed to get a good severance package and so on.
Were I in the same position again, I would spend a few hundred/thousand pounds on an employment lawyer as soon as possible, just to understand where I stood and what happens (in your case) when you have been told by the company that they want you out. It will put you in a stronger position when it comes to negotiating any package when you do leave.
Don't do as I did and walk in and resign, however tempting it is to make a fresh start. It's turned out okay for me, but I put myself through a lot of unnecessary bother, and talking to people of a similar seniority, I lost share options that I could have negotiated to keep. On that note, i would have been f40 or two better off had I kept them given the sale this year
but that's life!
The fact I resigned was, however, not a bad thing when explained to future employers, I found.
Were I in the same position again, I would spend a few hundred/thousand pounds on an employment lawyer as soon as possible, just to understand where I stood and what happens (in your case) when you have been told by the company that they want you out. It will put you in a stronger position when it comes to negotiating any package when you do leave.
Don't do as I did and walk in and resign, however tempting it is to make a fresh start. It's turned out okay for me, but I put myself through a lot of unnecessary bother, and talking to people of a similar seniority, I lost share options that I could have negotiated to keep. On that note, i would have been f40 or two better off had I kept them given the sale this year
but that's life!The fact I resigned was, however, not a bad thing when explained to future employers, I found.
So where do things actually stand now? On the plus side it sounds like both parties are aware it's not working out and keen to move on in a fairly mature way, would it be possible to hold off until you have another role?
Get looking straight away and quite likely you'll have a new year start and a nice few weeks off over Christmas and New Year.
Get looking straight away and quite likely you'll have a new year start and a nice few weeks off over Christmas and New Year.
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