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Oakey

18,336 posts

113 months

Saturday 6th October 2012
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Shaolin said:
Because he kept going? Because he was already in his late 30's on the 1st edition of TOTP and in his 40's and 50's through the time of his greatest fame and abuses. It denies him the excuse that he was overcome with attention and fame at an early age and had it "handed on a plate". He had been adult for decades and better was expected of him.

I don't mean that anyone who doesn't have a long term partner is likely to be a bit dodgy, but that people who are known to be dodgy and don't have partners are more likely to have chosen it as a life style choice. I was saying it to dsitinguish him from the pop stars who indulged and moved on. Like I said, he was one end of a grubby spectrum.
Not just that. He was a successful TV personality who, despite his wealth, lived with his mother until she died, spent 5 days with the corpse, preserved her bedroom and took her clothes to be cleaned once a year.

I'm sure Freud would have a field day with that.

skinley

1,681 posts

57 months

Saturday 6th October 2012
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John Peel has been implicated now. I really hope this is not true, it feels like my whole childhood is collapsing around me. (no pun intended)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2213621/Cl...

chris watton

17,826 posts

157 months

Saturday 6th October 2012
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skinley said:
John Peel has been implicated now. I really hope this is not true, it feels like my whole childhood is collapsing around me. (no pun intended)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2213621/Cl...
I feel the same! frown

southendpier

3,619 posts

126 months

Saturday 6th October 2012
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beardy weirdo.

XCP

12,338 posts

125 months

Saturday 6th October 2012
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skinley said:
John Peel has been implicated now. I really hope this is not true, it feels like my whole childhood is collapsing around me. (no pun intended)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2213621/Cl...
Why?
What's so special about Peel?

skinley

1,681 posts

57 months

Saturday 6th October 2012
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XCP said:
Why?
What's so special about Peel?
He's just someone who I respected during my teenage years, I didn't say he was special.

Eric Mc

82,302 posts

162 months

Saturday 6th October 2012
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Personality and reputation matters.

Savile always had dubious aspects to his character.

I don't think anyone would have ever thought Peel had a nasty bone in his body.

And I reckon he hadn't either.

As I mentioned earlier - there is a difference between what Peel is alleged to have done and Savile's exploits.

Bonefish Blues

7,744 posts

120 months

Saturday 6th October 2012
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Eric Mc said:
Personality and reputation matters.

Savile always had dubious aspects to his character.

I don't think anyone would have ever thought Peel had a nasty bone in his body.

And I reckon he hadn't either.

As I mentioned earlier - there is a difference between what Peel is alleged to have done and Savile's exploits.
I think that's right, where "the line" is drawn may change over the years, but Savile's conduct is over that line in any context.

Bitofbully

394 posts

36 months

Saturday 6th October 2012
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XCP said:
Why?
What's so special about Peel?
If you need to ask, you probably wouldn't understand.

southendpier

3,619 posts

126 months

Saturday 6th October 2012
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Bitofbully said:
If you need to ask, you probably wouldn't understand.
he had a lot of followers and could do no wrong, the messiah, for some, boring beardy to others.

XCP

12,338 posts

125 months

Saturday 6th October 2012
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Bitofbully said:
If you need to ask, you probably wouldn't understand.
Exactly.
DJ with a boring voice. Was there anything else?

skinley

1,681 posts

57 months

Saturday 6th October 2012
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southendpier said:
he had a lot of followers and could do no wrong, the messiah, for some, boring beardy to others.
NEWS FLASH JUST IN FROM OUR ROVING REPORTER IN SOUTHEND.

Not everyone likes the same things. SHOCK, HORROR.


groak

3,254 posts

76 months

Saturday 6th October 2012
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I reckon in about 25 years paedophile will be where gay is now. Just another facet of normality which only a prejudiced bigot would condemn. Approval starts with cuddly and beloved celebrities being outed. After all, if someone as philanthropic and honour worthy as Uncle Jim the Kiddies Friend and Saint of Stoke Mandeville is a paedophile, what really can the harm be?


Elderly

2,138 posts

135 months

Saturday 6th October 2012
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Eric Mc said:
90% of what I "know" I have learned through reading, studying and NOT from direct experience.
So does your statement: "At various times over its history, TOTP has used teenage "plants" in the main audience to get the kids dancing, excited etc. " come from the 90% or the 10% ?

rohrl

6,680 posts

42 months

Saturday 6th October 2012
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Bitofbully said:
XCP said:
Why?
What's so special about Peel?
If you need to ask, you probably wouldn't understand.
John Peel was different from nearly all the other Radio 1 DJ's. Most of them were in the Tony Blackburn/Mike Read mould so accurately spoofed by Harry Enfield, which is to say they were utter wkers in love with the sound of their own voices with little interest in music. When I heard that John Peel had died I was in the car and I had to pull over to have a cry and that's never happened to me with anyone else other than Senna. I can't imagine I'll feel the same when DLT pops his hairy clogs or even one of the good DJ's like David 'Kid' (hopefully that nickname isn't extended) Jensen. Never meet your idols I suppose.

skinley

1,681 posts

57 months

Saturday 6th October 2012
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Elderly said:
So does your statement: "At various times over its history, TOTP has used teenage "plants" in the main audience to get the kids dancing, excited etc. " come from the 90% or the 10% ?
90 I'd imagine, what's your point?

Eric Mc

82,302 posts

162 months

Saturday 6th October 2012
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It comes from reading about how the programme was made.

If the source material is wrong, then I am wrong.

However, there is no reason to believe it is wrong. And it comes from a more credible source than a mere post on an internet forum.
Did you not realise that everyone in the audience was not always an ordinary audience member?
It was a technique also used by the earlier pop show "Ready, Steady Go".

Oakey

18,336 posts

113 months

Saturday 6th October 2012
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My parents joined the audience of TotP back in the day and their recollection of it was the producers standing at the back shouting "DANCE YOU fkERS, DANCE"

The Hypno-Toad

8,449 posts

102 months

Saturday 6th October 2012
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Very slightly off topic.

It wasn't just girls they used to stir up the audience on TOTP. Quite clearly on late 70's/early 80's editions you can clearly see a young Danny Baker dancing in various bizarre ways to unusual songs.


Eric Mc

82,302 posts

162 months

Saturday 6th October 2012
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Gary Glitter (aka Paul Raven) was an audience "winder-upper" on "Ready Steady Go". I shudder to think what went on there.