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groak

3,254 posts

75 months

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Sunday 7th October 2012 quote quote all
Cheib said:
groak said:
I reckon in about 25 years paedophile will be where gay is now. Just another facet of normality which only a prejudiced bigot would condemn. Approval starts with cuddly and beloved celebrities being outed. After all, if someone as philanthropic and honour worthy as Uncle Jim the Kiddies Friend and Saint of Stoke Mandeville is a paedophile, what really can the harm be?
You seriously think paedophilia will be acceptable as a life choice in society ?
If we're talking about sex with little kiddies or babies (like the nutters do in Africa because they think it'll cure AIDS) then probably not. But if we're talking about people who have developed or even are developing secondary sexual characteristics regardless of their age then I don't think it's impossible. It's a feature of decadence and it's nothing new.

There are also very promiscuous and streetwise young kids. Some of them have sex amongst themselves and you can be certain that some of them have sex with older people too. Don't the posher post pubescent girls who indulge in adult activities like drinking and drugtaking (and sex too, you can be sure) get called (and get feted as) 'Wild Child'?? It's a kind of celebrity status isn't it? Bill Wyman had one. And Bob Geldof's daughter(s) was one too wasn't she? Amanda de Cadenet? Long list of THEM.

There's even some kind of strange culture of sexualised modelling/beauty contesting for little girls isn't there? And it's very much approved of and promoted by their parents, isn't it? And aren't there major clothing manufacturers who pander to the appeal and market for sexualised children?

At least 50% of the PH massif (and the wider world too) don't see anything to fuss about re. the maths teacher and his underage lover. And it's probably well on the cards to stop defining inappropriate sex strictly by an age measure.

So yeah. It's the last taboo. And all of the above things and plenty more too are eroding it.

Do I think it's good and desirable that the world's gradually coming to some tolerance or acceptance of paedophilia? Well, according to one poster I need castrated and euthanised because I even mention the matter which, in itself, apparently makes me tantamount to actually BEING a kiddie fiddler.

TBH I'm probably more of a paedoPHOBE. Don't really like kids, especially on planes, and in hotels and restaurants. I prefer adult company and live a wholly adult-oriented life and lifestyle. Can't see how anyone can find the child body sexually attractive. It isn't. It ain't got the right bits! And having hugely enjoyed a middle aged 'crisis' some 20 odd years ago I have to say the lack of sexual experience of most young women definitely doesn't add anything to the event, apart from which their lack of experience of life renders them pretty dull as company. I'll stick with the old bag thanks. After a million shags she knows what floats the groak, the cooking's world class, and she knows her Monets from her Manets, ferraris from fioruccis, and where the best seats are found at Nou Camp and San Siro, as well as who plays there. That'll do THIS dirty old man!

Jimmy Savile was a sad old bd who shoved his grubby wizened paws up wee girls skirts and had pump squirt 10 second sex with scared bewildered juveniles. He wouldn't know what to do with or say to a real woman and most certainly never knew what love is. Nice, eh? Bet you wish you were HIM. cry





pacman1

7,287 posts

89 months

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Sunday 7th October 2012 quote quote all
Sheets Tabuer said:
This is gonna mess up BBC4s 70s TOTPs nights.

My auntie was on TOTPs in the late 60s, we have video of her with a massive beehive dancing away, she was 15 and hasn't mentioned being molested.

My brother was on Jim'll fix it too in the early 80s, no one touched him up either...
Well there we go. Should everyone's formative experiences be tarnished by what we know now? It seems a trait of this country that everyone should rip up the fabric of their childhood memories, 'all for the abused' in a never ending quest to set the record straight, and more importantly I feel, sell papers. Now that is not to detract from their painful experiences in any way. But it's the media feeding frenzy I run a mile from.
I have good memories my childhood from that era as do many of my age. I liked Jim'll fix it and Gary Glitter, solely from my perspective, ie, watchin TOTP's etc, on the TV.
I really am apalled by the subsequent revelations of these people's behaviour, but I'm fooked if I'm going to be made to feel depressed or abused by proxy. Hope that kinda makes sense, home from the pub, had a few sherberts. smile

number 46

533 posts

144 months

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Sunday 7th October 2012 quote quote all
I wonder if the Sun is mixing up a former Radio 1 DJ and a soap star who both share the same name???

ViperPict

9,909 posts

133 months

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Sunday 7th October 2012 quote quote all
groak said:
Cheib said:
groak said:
I reckon in about 25 years paedophile will be where gay is now. Just another facet of normality which only a prejudiced bigot would condemn. Approval starts with cuddly and beloved celebrities being outed. After all, if someone as philanthropic and honour worthy as Uncle Jim the Kiddies Friend and Saint of Stoke Mandeville is a paedophile, what really can the harm be?
You seriously think paedophilia will be acceptable as a life choice in society ?
If we're talking about sex with little kiddies or babies (like the nutters do in Africa because they think it'll cure AIDS) then probably not. But if we're talking about people who have developed or even are developing secondary sexual characteristics regardless of their age then I don't think it's impossible. It's a feature of decadence and it's nothing new.

There are also very promiscuous and streetwise young kids. Some of them have sex amongst themselves and you can be certain that some of them have sex with older people too. Don't the posher post pubescent girls who indulge in adult activities like drinking and drugtaking (and sex too, you can be sure) get called (and get feted as) 'Wild Child'?? It's a kind of celebrity status isn't it? Bill Wyman had one. And Bob Geldof's daughter(s) was one too wasn't she? Amanda de Cadenet? Long list of THEM.

There's even some kind of strange culture of sexualised modelling/beauty contesting for little girls isn't there? And it's very much approved of and promoted by their parents, isn't it? And aren't there major clothing manufacturers who pander to the appeal and market for sexualised children?

At least 50% of the PH massif (and the wider world too) don't see anything to fuss about re. the maths teacher and his underage lover. And it's probably well on the cards to stop defining inappropriate sex strictly by an age measure.

So yeah. It's the last taboo. And all of the above things and plenty more too are eroding it.

Do I think it's good and desirable that the world's gradually coming to some tolerance or acceptance of paedophilia? Well, according to one poster I need castrated and euthanised because I even mention the matter which, in itself, apparently makes me tantamount to actually BEING a kiddie fiddler.

TBH I'm probably more of a paedoPHOBE. Don't really like kids, especially on planes, and in hotels and restaurants. I prefer adult company and live a wholly adult-oriented life and lifestyle. Can't see how anyone can find the child body sexually attractive. It isn't. It ain't got the right bits! And having hugely enjoyed a middle aged 'crisis' some 20 odd years ago I have to say the lack of sexual experience of most young women definitely doesn't add anything to the event, apart from which their lack of experience of life renders them pretty dull as company. I'll stick with the old bag thanks. After a million shags she knows what floats the groak, the cooking's world class, and she knows her Monets from her Manets, ferraris from fioruccis, and where the best seats are found at Nou Camp and San Siro, as well as who plays there. That'll do THIS dirty old man!

Jimmy Savile was a sad old bd who shoved his grubby wizened paws up wee girls skirts and had pump squirt 10 second sex with scared bewildered juveniles. He wouldn't know what to do with or say to a real woman and most certainly never knew what love is. Nice, eh? Bet you wish you were HIM. cry

There is something rather unsavoury about old men abusing their position of 'celebrity' to manipulate young folk who, although sexually mature, are not in possession of fully adult decision-making processes into providing them sexual gratification. There is no justifying it.

PumpkinSteve

2,757 posts

52 months

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Sunday 7th October 2012 quote quote all
Are we allowed to speculate who this soap star is?
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pacman1

7,287 posts

89 months

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Sunday 7th October 2012 quote quote all
PumpkinSteve said:
Are we allowed to speculate who this soap star is?
Oxymoron, if ever there was one.

OzzyR1

2,770 posts

128 months

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Sunday 7th October 2012 quote quote all
number 46 said:
I wonder if the Sun is mixing up a former Radio 1 DJ and a soap star who both share the same name???
Initials MR?

Kinky

35,392 posts

165 months

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Sunday 7th October 2012 quote quote all
PumpkinSteve said:
Are we allowed to speculate who this soap star is?
nono

Unless you've got cold hard public facts (note facts)

martin84

5,366 posts

49 months

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Sunday 7th October 2012 quote quote all
skinley said:
ETA. perhaps we should let the bloke who murdered Milly Dowler out of prison, after all, it didn't happen TODAY!!11!!!!
Wow that's a dumb post. Even for PH.

The bloke who murdered Milly Dowler was alive to answer the charge. That's the difference.

Colonial

11,703 posts

101 months

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Kinky said:
nono

Unless you've got cold hard public facts (note facts)
That would make a change for here.

Eric Mc

82,158 posts

161 months

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Sunday 7th October 2012 quote quote all
martin84 said:
Wow that's a dumb post. Even for PH.

The bloke who murdered Milly Dowler was alive to answer the charge. That's the difference.
So, death grants people reputational immunity?

Mo wonder so many Nazis committed suicide.

Derek Smith

22,383 posts

144 months

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Sunday 7th October 2012 quote quote all
Eric Mc said:
martin84 said:
Wow that's a dumb post. Even for PH.

The bloke who murdered Milly Dowler was alive to answer the charge. That's the difference.
So, death grants people reputational immunity?

Mo wonder so many Nazis committed suicide.
I won't hear a word against Stalin. He was never convicted of anything when he was alive.

Frik

12,579 posts

139 months

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Sunday 7th October 2012 quote quote all
groak said:
If we're talking about sex with little kiddies or babies (like the nutters do in Africa because they think it'll cure AIDS) then probably not. But if we're talking about people who have developed or even are developing secondary sexual characteristics regardless of their age then I don't think it's impossible. It's a feature of decadence and it's nothing new.

There are also very promiscuous and streetwise young kids. Some of them have sex amongst themselves and you can be certain that some of them have sex with older people too. Don't the posher post pubescent girls who indulge in adult activities like drinking and drugtaking (and sex too, you can be sure) get called (and get feted as) 'Wild Child'?? It's a kind of celebrity status isn't it? Bill Wyman had one. And Bob Geldof's daughter(s) was one too wasn't she? Amanda de Cadenet? Long list of THEM.

There's even some kind of strange culture of sexualised modelling/beauty contesting for little girls isn't there? And it's very much approved of and promoted by their parents, isn't it? And aren't there major clothing manufacturers who pander to the appeal and market for sexualised children?

At least 50% of the PH massif (and the wider world too) don't see anything to fuss about re. the maths teacher and his underage lover. And it's probably well on the cards to stop defining inappropriate sex strictly by an age measure.

So yeah. It's the last taboo. And all of the above things and plenty more too are eroding it.

Do I think it's good and desirable that the world's gradually coming to some tolerance or acceptance of paedophilia? Well, according to one poster I need castrated and euthanised because I even mention the matter which, in itself, apparently makes me tantamount to actually BEING a kiddie fiddler.

TBH I'm probably more of a paedoPHOBE. Don't really like kids, especially on planes, and in hotels and restaurants. I prefer adult company and live a wholly adult-oriented life and lifestyle. Can't see how anyone can find the child body sexually attractive. It isn't. It ain't got the right bits! And having hugely enjoyed a middle aged 'crisis' some 20 odd years ago I have to say the lack of sexual experience of most young women definitely doesn't add anything to the event, apart from which their lack of experience of life renders them pretty dull as company. I'll stick with the old bag thanks. After a million shags she knows what floats the groak, the cooking's world class, and she knows her Monets from her Manets, ferraris from fioruccis, and where the best seats are found at Nou Camp and San Siro, as well as who plays there. That'll do THIS dirty old man!

Jimmy Savile was a sad old bd who shoved his grubby wizened paws up wee girls skirts and had pump squirt 10 second sex with scared bewildered juveniles. He wouldn't know what to do with or say to a real woman and most certainly never knew what love is. Nice, eh? Bet you wish you were HIM. cry
Sexual interest in post-pubescent youngsters isn't technically paedophillia so I'm not sure your general point stands. There certainly have been different attitudes to post-pubescent but underage girls in the past and maybe in the future. I doubt the law will change much though.

Sexual assault remains a crime, as does statutory rape. Whether the suspect is dead or alive there is a potential crime that needs to be investigated.

V8mate

37,384 posts

85 months

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OzzyR1 said:
number 46 said:
I wonder if the Sun is mixing up a former Radio 1 DJ and a soap star who both share the same name???
Initials MR?
MR would have been the breakfast DJ in 1987? (See my 'Liz Kershaw revelation' post yesterday)

Elderly

2,131 posts

134 months

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Sunday 7th October 2012 quote quote all
Eric Mc said:
How many shows did you attend?

Did you attend for the entire run of the series which was from 1964 to 2006?

........... In the early 1980s they had a deliberate policy of mixing their dancers with the audience .
As I said yesterday in a post responding to one of yours - "I'm talking about 1970 - 1979 and I'm only talking about TOTP." . So I've no direct experience of "the early 1980s".

During my 9 years at the BBC I've no idea of how many TOTP I worked on, but it was on a fairly regular basis.
If in 40 years time it came out that a well loved former celebrity had abused
the tax rules regarding Partnerships, you would probably be able to speak from direct experience on
'Arctic Systems' but would you be able to recall how many clients of yours it was relevant to? biggrin

Eric Mc

82,158 posts

161 months

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Sunday 7th October 2012 quote quote all
"Mo"
Derek Smith said:
Eric Mc said:
martin84 said:
Wow that's a dumb post. Even for PH.

The bloke who murdered Milly Dowler was alive to answer the charge. That's the difference.
So, death grants people reputational immunity?

Mo wonder so many Nazis committed suicide.
I won't hear a word against Stalin. He was never convicted of anything when he was alive.
"Mo" ? I ask you.


Lots of heinous characters have gone to their grave never having to answer for their sins. That doesn't and shouldn't mean that they should be absolved of those sins.

Eric Mc

82,158 posts

161 months

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Sunday 7th October 2012 quote quote all
Elderly said:
As I said yesterday in a post responding to one of yours - "I'm talking about 1970 - 1979 and I'm only talking about TOTP." . So I've no direct experience of "the early 1980s".

During my 9 years at the BBC I've no idea of how many TOTP I worked on, but it was on a fairly regular basis.
If in 40 years time it came out that a well loved former celebrity had abused
the tax rules regarding Partnerships, you would probably be able to speak from direct experience on
'Arctic Systems' but would you be able to recall how many clients of yours it was relevant to? biggrin
Well, I presume then that those BBC retrospective documentaries I've seen about TOTP must have been telling lies I suppose.

And all those historians who study and write about events that happened before they are born are writing rubbish.

Is direct experience the only criteria for knowledge of a subject? Indeed, I wasn't actually in court for the various Arctic Systems hearings and am only aware of it from reading the reports and attending lectures - so any knowledge I have of that must be totally untrustworthy - according to your reasoning.

You can take your "direct experience" analogy to ridiculous levels if you want to.

XCP

12,338 posts

124 months

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Eric Mc said:
"Mo" ? I ask you.


Lots of heinous characters have gone to their grave never having to answer for their sins. That doesn't and shouldn't mean that they should be absolved of those sins.
Or that absolution is anything other than religious clap-trap.

Halb

26,911 posts

79 months

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Lost_BMW said:
Drat, just ruined a gag.

Three Hail Mary's and a fumble with the Bishop's beads and you're forgiven.
Oh you and your 'humour' BMW!biggrin

Eric Mc

82,158 posts

161 months

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I always steered clear of Bishops.
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