car keyed, what can be done with detailing?
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hi all, my metallic silver alpina got keyed over 9 panels y'day!!!! gutted. 
anyways, in some parts it is down to the primer, in others to the paint.... is a respray the only sensible option? or do you guys do voodoo magic with detailing?
anyways, in some parts it is down to the primer, in others to the paint.... is a respray the only sensible option? or do you guys do voodoo magic with detailing?
Edited by 70proof on Wednesday 9th November 16:54
Polishing the top layers from the paintwork can remove light scratches.
Heavier scratches can be improved by dulling the edge of the scratch, thereby making them reflect less light. They are still there - just less visible.
If it is down to the primer then polishing can't do anything. You need to add paint. You might be able to get a smart repair done. Some of them can be pretty good at disguising the damage.
To add, silver is a b
h to colour match.
Heavier scratches can be improved by dulling the edge of the scratch, thereby making them reflect less light. They are still there - just less visible.
If it is down to the primer then polishing can't do anything. You need to add paint. You might be able to get a smart repair done. Some of them can be pretty good at disguising the damage.
To add, silver is a b
h to colour match.70proof said:
i was thinking along what would the final result be if someone overfilled scratch with top up paint, then wet sanded down once properly dry, and then polished and waxed.....
With the car being silver it will be difficult to pull off a invisible repair.Edited by waxaholic on Wednesday 9th November 19:56
70proof said:
i was thinking along what would the final result be if someone overfilled scratch with top up paint, then wet sanded down once properly dry, and then polished and waxed.....
Pants , actually worse than the car left as it is .
Yes it would work (but not invisible) say on a solid colour even better with say solid black due to high pigment coverage .
But metallics and pearls then very poor , then add that silver will / would be the worst possible case .
even then i would only say yes to a customer that had a small scratch on 1 or 2 panels only.
either leave it or get it painted properly , that really are your options sorry
The carrier for the silver glitter flakes is the base colour , but the percentage of silver glitter (and different sizes of flake) in silver are much higher than say a dark blue or black metallic .
Silver is nearly all different tiny particles of glitter .
When trying to touch in silvers (stone chips or scratches) the coat will be much heavier using a brush then the thin layer when applied with spray gun , for many reason (wont explain them now) the glitter will sink much lower from the surface when brush applied , so leaving the base colour showing more to the eye .
This is why the silver looks darker , lots count the amount of times i have removed touch ins from customers car which look much darker than the original colour , and each time the blame is on the touch in stick / pen from the delaerships .
We have had good results when building up tiny amounts of paint on small stone chips using very small pin like needles , but only on low volume metallic colours or solids .
Lastly if you sand down a colour coat , not the top lacquer coat , you disturb the metal flakes which will also give poor results in colour and shade .
So you would need touch in uniformly over the whole lenght of each scratch keeping lower than the finished surface , then filling the rest with lacquer then sanding down level and polishing back , all that on much softer single pack none cured paint .
its not worth trying .
Hope this helps
Thank good its was not your new car mate
(mark with blue lambo my friend and customer) Kelly
kds keltec said:
Thank good its was not your new car mate
(mark with blue lambo my friend and customer)
Kelly
thanks kelly, very informative.... (mark with blue lambo my friend and customer) Kelly
the lambo is well locked away in the garage, it displaced the alpina, how ironic heh!
only noticeable when close up, as primer is grey, but looks horrendous when close...
respray it is then, just got to make sure authorised repairer i pick is good..
when i parked up, i did think maybe i should move it, almost like some preminition...but i didn;t..
70proof said:
thanks kelly, very informative....
the lambo is well locked away in the garage, it displaced the alpina, how ironic heh!
only noticeable when close up, as primer is grey, but looks horrendous when close...
respray it is then, just got to make sure authorised repairer i pick is good..
when i parked up, i did think maybe i should move it, almost like some preminition...but i didn;t..
When you get a vide or feeling again and its something to do with the lambo , ACT on it the lambo is well locked away in the garage, it displaced the alpina, how ironic heh!
only noticeable when close up, as primer is grey, but looks horrendous when close...
respray it is then, just got to make sure authorised repairer i pick is good..
when i parked up, i did think maybe i should move it, almost like some preminition...but i didn;t..
I try and help when i can
Kelly
rsv gone! said:
To add, silver is a bh to colour match.
That's a common misconception. It's actually no harder to match the colour than any other paint. What makes it more challenging is that exactly how the paint is applied affects perceived tone. Temperature (ambient and panel), electrostatics, gun size, air pressure, humidity - they can all affect flake laydown. Waterborne paints have made blending silvers much easier though if the right recipe is selected - compared to rapid-flashing VOC paints, the flakes spend loads more time in wet suspension and can align properly with the substrate.h to colour match.
Anatol said:
That's a common misconception. It's actually no harder to match the colour than any other paint. What makes it more challenging is that exactly how the paint is applied affects perceived tone. Temperature (ambient and panel), electrostatics, gun size, air pressure, humidity - they can all affect flake laydown. Waterborne paints have made blending silvers much easier though if the right recipe is selected - compared to rapid-flashing VOC paints, the flakes spend loads more time in wet suspension and can align properly with the substrate.
The appliance of science, what you mean is forget about a smart repair and have the car re-painted 70proof said:
hi all, my metallic silver alpina got keyed over 9 panels y'day!!!! gutted.
anyways, in some parts it is down to the primer, in others to the paint.... is a respray the only sensible option? or do you guys do voodoo magic with detailing?
or find a company near you like kellys (KDS Detailing) that paint and detail , this way you can drop the car off may be able to save a few panels from re-spray (LOWERING THE COST) by machine polishing and painting the other panels . anyways, in some parts it is down to the primer, in others to the paint.... is a respray the only sensible option? or do you guys do voodoo magic with detailing?
Edited by 70proof on Wednesday 9th November 16:54
Job done.......
waxaholic said:
The appliance of science, what you mean is forget about a smart repair and have the car re-painted
Well, a SMART repair *is* a sprayed paint repair so there's a little confusion there - but more relevant is that for 9 keyed panels, SMART repair techniques are simply not viable, and SMART repair COSHH controls would be insufficient to comply with the law. For 9 keyed panels SMART simply isn't an option on the table, for technical and legal reasons, so it's not as though it needs to be discounted...Worth noting that many facilities that are branded as SMART repair also have spraybooth facilities (ours included), and for non-structural repairs like vandal scratching, can carry out the same repair process as any other bodyshop - and their lower overheads can mean cost savings. YMMV of course :-)
Jason2002 said:
or find a company near you like kellys (KDS Detailing) that paint and detail , this way you can drop the car off may be able to save a few panels from re-spray (LOWERING THE COST) by machine polishing and painting the other panels .
Job done.......
i think if i was going to get it resprayed, i would want the whole car done, and tbh, the insurer is going to pay, so cost is not of any concern....Job done.......
Anatol said:
Well, a SMART repair *is* a sprayed paint repair so there's a little confusion there - but more relevant is that for 9 keyed panels, SMART repair techniques are simply not viable, and SMART repair COSHH controls would be insufficient to comply with the law. For 9 keyed panels SMART simply isn't an option on the table, for technical and legal reasons, so it's not as though it needs to be discounted...
Worth noting that many facilities that are branded as SMART repair also have spraybooth facilities (ours included), and for non-structural repairs like vandal scratching, can carry out the same repair process as any other bodyshop - and their lower overheads can mean cost savings. YMMV of course :-)
Ok dont get your knickers in a twist, Smart repair local repair call it what you like, i simply meant Worth noting that many facilities that are branded as SMART repair also have spraybooth facilities (ours included), and for non-structural repairs like vandal scratching, can carry out the same repair process as any other bodyshop - and their lower overheads can mean cost savings. YMMV of course :-)
that it is not a job for a man in a van
70proof was kind enough to pop in to visit this afternoon and I had an opportunity to look over what the scumbag vandals did to his car with my Bodyshop manager. The scratch is down to steel in places - it's way beyond finessing out of the clearcoat with detailing techniques. This isn't a 1500 grit then 2000 then Trizact and then mop job - it's flat out all the damaged paint with 180-320 grit on the DA, prime, paint and clearcoat.
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