Ship lost last night :(

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Mojocvh

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16,837 posts

263 months

Sunday 27th November 2011
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The crew of the 81-metre (265 ft) carrier, the Swanland, raised the alarm at about 02:00 GMT.

They reported the hull was thought to have cracked in bad weather and the ship was taking on water.


"We know that at least some of them are wearing immersion suits and have strobe lighting with them, however sea conditions are challenging at best”


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-15908292

Having recently carried out my offshore survival training, I can attest to the difficulty in getting into liferafts in even moderate 1.5m "swells" in the dark, deafened and blinded by spray and "lightning".

RIP.

Edited by Mojocvh on Sunday 27th November 10:27

Steffan

10,362 posts

229 months

Sunday 27th November 2011
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Seems the lifeboats have found two survivors which is very good news. Seriously bad weather in the Irish Sea.

I always admire the lifeboat crews who risk death every time they set out in heavy weather. They know the risk, it has not crept up on them. All unpaid. Been assisted myself on a couple of occasions in yachts around the UK.

Absolutely superb sailors and very brave men. They know the dangers and choose to face them head on. You have to admire their bravery.

I donate monthly so they get the tax back on my donation.

Ditto The Salvation Army. Another good lot.

Eric Mc

122,128 posts

266 months

Sunday 27th November 2011
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I had a quick Google for information on the MV Swanland and found out -

it was built in 1977
it's based in Grimsby
it is registered in the Cook Islands
the last port listed as visited was New Ross (Co. Wexford)

davepoth

29,395 posts

200 months

Sunday 27th November 2011
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Eric Mc said:
I had a quick Google for information on the MV Swanland and found out -

it was built in 1977
it's based in Grimsby
it is registered in the Cook Islands
the last port listed as visited was New Ross (Co. Wexford)
That is a rustbucket and no mistake. 1977? I'm amazed they could even get insurance for it.

DamienB

1,189 posts

220 months

Sunday 27th November 2011
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And for a PH link, recent pic, mentions a cargo of road salt:

http://www.shipspotting.com/gallery/photo.php?lid=...

RIP to those lost.

jenkotvr

688 posts

175 months

Monday 28th November 2011
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I have seen the Swanland on many occasion at Colwyn Bay.

Horrendous conditions at the weekend...60mph howling through the Menai Straits.

RIP Chaps

markmullen

15,877 posts

235 months

Monday 28th November 2011
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Bad stuff.

It was a big old sea last night, even on the East Coast, not weather to be splashing about in it.

0a

23,906 posts

195 months

Monday 28th November 2011
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Mojocvh said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-15908292

Edited by Mojocvh on Sunday 27th November 10:27
Also says that "In August 2010, the Swanland's engines failed and it came close to grounding on rocks off the Lizard peninsula in Cornwall."

Mr_B

10,480 posts

244 months

Monday 28th November 2011
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For someome who knows nothing about ships, how common is it for a large ship like this to have its back broken and sink in UK coastal waters by sea conditions and not being broken up on the rocks ?

jamiebae

6,245 posts

212 months

Monday 28th November 2011
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To my untrained eye, that ship looks like the maritime equivalent of a completely knackered 15 year old builders Ford Transit with duct tape wheel arches and dents on every panel. I guess given what she does to make a living means it's probably pretty close to the truth but it does look a bit tired to still by plying a trade on the open seas.

The crew were Russian apparently, very sad.

Coming from a maritime family I think what the lifeboats do is incredible, unbelievable bravery to go out, not only in horrendous conditions, but conditions so bad they have already got other ships into trouble.

Eric Mc

122,128 posts

266 months

Monday 28th November 2011
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Not common - but it has happened before. I wonder did the cargo shift in the heavy seas.

Steffan

10,362 posts

229 months

Monday 28th November 2011
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Eric Mc said:
Not common - but it has happened before. I wonder did the cargo shift in the heavy seas.
I think that is very probably what happened.

The eye witnesses (surviving!) have spoken of a catastrophic failure of the hull. She obviously went down like the proverbial stone and something major like cargo shifting seems very probable.

Rare events do happen, this would seem to be one.

Our thoughts must go to the families, tragic waste of hard working sailor's lives.

Eric Mc

122,128 posts

266 months

Monday 28th November 2011
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I was listening to Irish radio (RTE Radio 1) this morning and they were chatting to the head of Holyhead Coast Guard. It was a major operation with the Irish Coast Guard, Navy and Air Corps being heavilly involved as well as the RAF from Valley and Holyhead Coastguard and RNLI.

Otispunkmeyer

12,622 posts

156 months

Monday 28th November 2011
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Steffan said:
Seems the lifeboats have found two survivors which is very good news. Seriously bad weather in the Irish Sea.

I always admire the lifeboat crews who risk death every time they set out in heavy weather. They know the risk, it has not crept up on them. All unpaid. Been assisted myself on a couple of occasions in yachts around the UK.

Absolutely superb sailors and very brave men. They know the dangers and choose to face them head on. You have to admire their bravery.

I donate monthly so they get the tax back on my donation.

Ditto The Salvation Army. Another good lot.
Got a couple of mates who work for the RNLI and also volunteer for the Lifeboat crews. Really is amazing what they do. Its one of the only charities I actually give to. Was lucky enough to have a tour round the SW coast lifeboat stations. Truly amazing people.

baldy1926

2,136 posts

201 months

Monday 28th November 2011
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I wonder how the rescue co-ordination went with no fixed wing cover

davepoth

29,395 posts

200 months

Monday 28th November 2011
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baldy1926 said:
I wonder how the rescue co-ordination went with no fixed wing cover
20 miles out means it would have been no problem at all. It's only when you start getting towards the endurance of the Sea Kings (giving them very little time to find things when on station) that it would become an issue.

davepoth

29,395 posts

200 months

Monday 28th November 2011
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jamiebae said:
To my untrained eye, that ship looks like the maritime equivalent of a completely knackered 15 year old builders Ford Transit with duct tape wheel arches and dents on every panel. I guess given what she does to make a living means it's probably pretty close to the truth but it does look a bit tired to still by plying a trade on the open seas.
Not a million miles away. 20 years is about the economic life of a cargo ship.

Athlon

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207 months

baldy1926

2,136 posts

201 months

Monday 28th November 2011
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davepoth said:
20 miles out means it would have been no problem at all. It's only when you start getting towards the endurance of the Sea Kings (giving them very little time to find things when on station) that it would become an issue.
I was wondering as i was not certain how far the heli base was away as the high winds etc would effect the endurance of the choppers

davepoth

29,395 posts

200 months

Monday 28th November 2011
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baldy1926 said:
I was wondering as i was not certain how far the heli base was away as the high winds etc would effect the endurance of the choppers
Based on Anglesey so in that particular situation it was about as good as it gets in terms of getting a chopper on station.