I Had The X Factor.. 25 Years Ago

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Legacywr

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12,147 posts

189 months

Monday 12th December 2011
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Just a heads up!

BBC2 now, featuring acts from New Faces!smile

Rollcage

11,327 posts

193 months

Monday 12th December 2011
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I'm watching this as well.

Interesting viewing!

B Huey

4,881 posts

200 months

Monday 12th December 2011
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A pretty depressing show so far.

Rollcage

11,327 posts

193 months

Monday 12th December 2011
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Full circle!



I suppose celebrity is like a drug - you can't let go.

Randy Winkman

16,169 posts

190 months

Monday 12th December 2011
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Very good programme. It was fascinating to see just how much the "double act" guy depended on show business and nothing else could ever be a substitute. I wondered whether there was more to the story about Billy (?) losing "everything". It didn't look like it was that long ago, but he seemed pretty comfortable. Generous friends, but he'd have needed to make a few quid to pay them back. He seemed like a nice guy though. I suppose he could be a success off the stage in management or something.

Eric Mc

122,053 posts

266 months

Tuesday 13th December 2011
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There have been talent shows on TV from almost the very beginning. From the 1950s right into the 1970s. Opportunity Knocks was one of the biggest TV shows - with bigger audience figures than X-Factor receives today.

Despsite the thousands of acts that appeared on the show and the hundreds who actually won it, only a handful went on the achieve lasting fame - the most famous probably being Les Dawson.

LuS1fer

41,139 posts

246 months

Tuesday 13th December 2011
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there were plenty who went on to find fame from these programmes.

Lena Zavaroni, The Real Thing, Berni Flint, Cannon and Ball, Marti Caine etc.

The difference was these acts had been doing the clubs and come up the hard way, not the chancers who turnup on X-Factor.

Eric Mc

122,053 posts

266 months

Tuesday 13th December 2011
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LuS1fer said:
there were plenty who went on to find fame from these programmes.

Lena Zavaroni, The Real Thing, Berni Flint, Cannon and Ball, Marti Caine etc.

The difference was these acts had been doing the clubs and come up the hard way, not the chancers who turnup on X-Factor.
There were plenty of "chancers" back then too. Howerer, the old Working Men's Club circuit was a definite provider for these shows. That circuit is almost completely vanished now so it is much harder for new acts to gain the practical experience of gigging in front of an audience.

And I would argue that most of the acts you mentioned above did have a limited shelf life. The comedians (Marti Caine and Cannon and Ball) did the best. Singers tended to be one or two hit wonders before fading off the scene.

bigbubba

1,005 posts

220 months

Tuesday 13th December 2011
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LuS1fer said:
not the chancers who turnup on X-Factor.
That is quite an uneducated statement.

Sure there are some 'chancers' on the X Factor but there are plenty of people that have put in the hours in pubs and clubs too.

LuS1fer

41,139 posts

246 months

Tuesday 13th December 2011
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I'd partly agree with that. The singers really lacked the support and Lena Zavaroni was too young and boy, they voted for the child stars back then. The Real Thing had four strong singles, including Number 1s but to be fair, the shelf life of groups in the 70s was only about 4-5 years anyway.

A sad statistic I read recently was that something like 75% of touring singers/bands in the UK were now over 60.

Come to think of it, I think Freddie Starr was the spawn of one of these talent shows and certainly les Dennis and his ill-fated other half came up that way too. I think Larry Grayson did too.

A lot of the old performers also came through the holiday camps as redcoats (Bob Monkhouse and I think Ted Rogers).

Eric Mc

122,053 posts

266 months

Tuesday 13th December 2011
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LuS1fer said:
I'd partly agree with that. The singers really lacked the support and Lena Zavaroni was too young and boy, they voted for the child stars back then. The Real Thing had four strong singles, including Number 1s but to be fair, the shelf life of groups in the 70s was only about 4-5 years anyway.

A sad statistic I read recently was that something like 75% of touring singers/bands in the UK were now over 60.

Come to think of it, I think Freddie Starr was the spawn of one of these talent shows and certainly les Dennis and his ill-fated other half came up that way too. I think Larry Grayson did too.

A lot of the old performers also came through the holiday camps as redcoats (Bob Monkhouse and I think Ted Rogers).
There's no doubt the old club "circuit" was a great moulder of talent and professionalism.
Nowadays, a lot of acts do their "training" on TV.

onyx39

11,125 posts

151 months

Tuesday 13th December 2011
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LuS1fer said:
Lena Zavaroni
I had a bit of a thing for her (I think I was about 10 at the time!)

LuS1fer said:
The Real Thing
Did not realise that they were from a talent show!




Edited by onyx39 on Tuesday 13th December 11:04

Eric Mc

122,053 posts

266 months

Tuesday 13th December 2011
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The Real Thing died when their lead singer's voice broke.

Another huge winner from Opportunity Knocks was Neil Reid. He too lost his popularity when his voice broke.