Throttle position for H&T = rubbish
Discussion
I've been a serial H&T 'er for years. Part of the reason I still love manual boxes - when you get it right it feels fantastic. 
With the pedal in the VXR8 being so solid immediately (which is great) the throttle is way too low to allow you to do it. Pedal extensions, or bend the throttle pedal to suit?
Whadya reckon?
With the pedal in the VXR8 being so solid immediately (which is great) the throttle is way too low to allow you to do it. Pedal extensions, or bend the throttle pedal to suit?
Whadya reckon?
Edited by mik_ok on Saturday 7th January 00:36
mik_ok said:
Post some pics and we'll let you know 
Saucy devil...I'd assume the VXR8 is a different layout to the 'ro, but I'd be surprised if the 5.7 is different to the 6.0, the rest of it looks so similar...
Have to see what other people think.
I know I find H&T impossible in the Clio without emergency stopping or dislocating my ankle / knee, and in the Alfa I've only tried twice, as the pedals mean it's either dislocate the ankle again, or more of a big toe and little toe movement that feels a bit dangerous given how little foot is left on the brake pedal whilst your little toe reaches for the accelerator...
I had a Leon with perfect pedal spacing but the stupid DBW throttle software that wouldn't allow throttle and brake simultaneously for more than approx 0.5 secs. Adapted to a more "stabbing" action on the throttle and it was fine.
944S2 was difficult.
Scooby WRX was awesome. Really nice - particularly after a remap where the throttle sensitivity increased.
VXR8 is crying out for better positioning - not only 'cos it is big-engine-rwd and will lock the rears with a clumsy change, but also because it sounds feggin' awesome when you blip unbraked downchanges. 8)
944S2 was difficult.
Scooby WRX was awesome. Really nice - particularly after a remap where the throttle sensitivity increased.
VXR8 is crying out for better positioning - not only 'cos it is big-engine-rwd and will lock the rears with a clumsy change, but also because it sounds feggin' awesome when you blip unbraked downchanges. 8)
Solved for £16 
I messed around with some old dishwasher bits and cable ties to prove that the accelerator just needed to be lifted up a bit and extended slightly towards the brakes pedal to allow comfortable H&T. It did.
Ugly as hell, didn't leave the regulation 50mm gap between pedals, and didn't present the user with a rubber grip (again regulation), and therefore almost certainly invalidated my insurance.
On the upside you could fit both spoons and forks in there.
After hunting in vain for a throttle pedal extension specifically designed to ease H&T, I finally bought a set of "Sparco" pedal covers from HERE. You can only buy them as full pedal sets and I realised I'd have to space-out the throttle pedal to lift it by the appropriate amount. When they arrived I realised that the hole spacing was the same on each, hence I could use the other pedals as spacers. Excellent. This did require a longer set of bolts than comes with the pack, but I had something suitable in my "spare screws tub". Doesn't everyone have one of those? 
So 10mins with a drill and I now have pedals that are appropriately spaced to do the job. Fantastic.
The "off car" shot above shows all three pedals stacked together, but with the slightly heavier curve on the pedal covers I felt only two pedals stacked was adquate. This lifted the pedal surface approx 20mm, and moved the surface approx 20mm closer to the brake pedal. Just over 50mm between them, so no issues there.
No it doesn't look gorgeous, but it works (certainly for my technique), and they say Sparco on them and everyfing innit, so they must be wikkid.
They can be taken off in approx 1 minute too, and since I drilled one hole at the edge of one of the original rubber grips, that hole is effectively "invisible" (as the rubber relaxes back over the surface of said aperture) so only one 7mm drill hole can be seen on the metal part of the original pedal when you take them off.
Happy boy.
I messed around with some old dishwasher bits and cable ties to prove that the accelerator just needed to be lifted up a bit and extended slightly towards the brakes pedal to allow comfortable H&T. It did.
Ugly as hell, didn't leave the regulation 50mm gap between pedals, and didn't present the user with a rubber grip (again regulation), and therefore almost certainly invalidated my insurance.
On the upside you could fit both spoons and forks in there.After hunting in vain for a throttle pedal extension specifically designed to ease H&T, I finally bought a set of "Sparco" pedal covers from HERE. You can only buy them as full pedal sets and I realised I'd have to space-out the throttle pedal to lift it by the appropriate amount. When they arrived I realised that the hole spacing was the same on each, hence I could use the other pedals as spacers. Excellent.
This did require a longer set of bolts than comes with the pack, but I had something suitable in my "spare screws tub". Doesn't everyone have one of those? So 10mins with a drill and I now have pedals that are appropriately spaced to do the job. Fantastic.
The "off car" shot above shows all three pedals stacked together, but with the slightly heavier curve on the pedal covers I felt only two pedals stacked was adquate. This lifted the pedal surface approx 20mm, and moved the surface approx 20mm closer to the brake pedal. Just over 50mm between them, so no issues there.
No it doesn't look gorgeous, but it works (certainly for my technique), and they say Sparco on them and everyfing innit, so they must be wikkid.
They can be taken off in approx 1 minute too, and since I drilled one hole at the edge of one of the original rubber grips, that hole is effectively "invisible" (as the rubber relaxes back over the surface of said aperture) so only one 7mm drill hole can be seen on the metal part of the original pedal when you take them off.Happy boy.
Edited by mik_ok on Thursday 9th February 16:01
maxmc2 said:
Liking the modification but i have to say haven't had any real trouble with H&T, maybe thats something to do with my size 11's
It was the height difference more than the distance - in order to even make contact with the accelerator my foot was almost sliding off the brake pedal.... and you don't want that when the scenry is fast-approaching do you? 
Gassing Station | HSV & Monaro | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff