Done on Cat & Fiddle
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Just dropped through the postbox this morning. Apparently been done by "unmanned camera" on the Cat & Fiddle. It was at Wildboarclough and speed was supposedly 63MPH. This must be by one of the average speed cameras, and despite having my cruise control set at 50 on all the non twisty bits. Is it worth contesting, and just how accurate are the cameras. I know they weren't able to use them for ages as they had positioned one of them on the wrong side of another road the joining the A54. Any thoughts?
I'm an odd defence lawyer....if you admit the speed alleged take the ticket.
If you admit the speed but still take it to court you will face a battle and the risk of whacking court costs and higher fines if you lose.
You will probably need to employ an expensive expert in average speed cameras to stand a chance of defeating the CPS - who will bring their own expert if you take one...
In cross examination the first question will be "Do you admit doing more than 50?" If your answer is "yes", "maybe", "dunno" your stuffed. CPS sit down "Guilty!"
So if you admit doing the speed take the ticket - unless you are willing to lie on oath.. lots of people do.
However if you deny the speed alleged...and you are really up for a fight.... and fully appreciate what that might entail I will watch with interest.
If you admit the speed but still take it to court you will face a battle and the risk of whacking court costs and higher fines if you lose.
You will probably need to employ an expensive expert in average speed cameras to stand a chance of defeating the CPS - who will bring their own expert if you take one...
In cross examination the first question will be "Do you admit doing more than 50?" If your answer is "yes", "maybe", "dunno" your stuffed. CPS sit down "Guilty!"
So if you admit doing the speed take the ticket - unless you are willing to lie on oath.. lots of people do.
However if you deny the speed alleged...and you are really up for a fight.... and fully appreciate what that might entail I will watch with interest.
It looks like the downhill stretch towards Buxton. In a car with cruise control on, I had considered doing the trip in my Caterham, but this was in my wifes Audi A3 diesel, that's why I was wondering about the accuracy of these things. I can imagine the CPS would be very difficult to fight, so I'll probably have to cave in to them. Does seem a bit unjust though.
Does anybody know what happens if one asks for the actual time and distance between the two points?
Does anybody know what happens if one asks for the actual time and distance between the two points?
nightflight said:
It looks like the downhill stretch towards Buxton. In a car with cruise control on, I had considered doing the trip in my Caterham, but this was in my wifes Audi A3 diesel, that's why I was wondering about the accuracy of these things. I can imagine the CPS would be very difficult to fight, so I'll probably have to cave in to them. Does seem a bit unjust though.
Does anybody know what happens if one asks for the actual time and distance between the two points?
You are not entitled to any form of detailed disclosure until you reject the ticket - take it to court - plead not guilty and the case is listed for trial. Then you have a right to see their evidence - but if you buckle at that stage you get whacked...!Does anybody know what happens if one asks for the actual time and distance between the two points?
nightflight said:
It was at Wildboarclough
nightflight said:
It looks like the downhill stretch towards Buxton.
Which was it? The Cat & Fiddle doesn't go through or near Wildboarclough, and Wildboarclough isn't on the Buxton side of the summit.If you're even thinking about contesting this you'll have to get your story straight!
The letter says A537/A54 near Wildboarclough, >> Buxton
Rouleur said:
Which was it? The Cat & Fiddle doesn't go through or near Wildboarclough, and Wildboarclough isn't on the Buxton side of the summit.
If you're even thinking about contesting this you'll have to get your story straight!
If you're even thinking about contesting this you'll have to get your story straight!
Have we established then, that this cant have been caused by the OP taking one of the short cuts - which work in both directions, and are at the Macc end of the pass?
63mph average suggests that you were going quite quickly, but its difficult to comment further without knowing between which cameras you were caught.
63mph average suggests that you were going quite quickly, but its difficult to comment further without knowing between which cameras you were caught.
GC8 said:
Have we established then, that this cant have been caused by the OP taking one of the short cuts - which work in both directions, and are at the Macc end of the pass?
63mph average suggests that you were going quite quickly, but its difficult to comment further without knowing between which cameras you were caught.
I've not worked out yet which cameras they were, but the point is we weren't going quickly at all. I know about the cameras, and had the cruise control on most of the time. My friend lives over that way, so he's going to go and have a look to see if we can work it out.63mph average suggests that you were going quite quickly, but its difficult to comment further without knowing between which cameras you were caught.
saaby93 said:
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