Recruitment agent calling me at work!
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I'm looking for a new job in the near future, so i stuck my CV up on one of the big job sites a couple of weeks ago. I've had plenty of interest (too much really) and have been 'filtering by voicemail', otherwise I'd be getting no work done!
I've just come out of a meeting and been told by a colleague that 'friend' called for me into the office. turns out I also have 2 missed calls and email from an agent of the same name given on the phone at work.
Now, i'm thoroughly pissed off about this. Calling someone at work, when i've not explicitly given this number as a contact option, I think is massively unprofessional and crosses a very clear line.
I'm tempted to reply back to this little s
t by email and copy in the agency's MD, making it clear how unprofessional I think this is and that I have NO interest in dealing with them.
Am I being naive / over-reacting, or have I got a valid point?
I've just come out of a meeting and been told by a colleague that 'friend' called for me into the office. turns out I also have 2 missed calls and email from an agent of the same name given on the phone at work.
Now, i'm thoroughly pissed off about this. Calling someone at work, when i've not explicitly given this number as a contact option, I think is massively unprofessional and crosses a very clear line.
I'm tempted to reply back to this little s
t by email and copy in the agency's MD, making it clear how unprofessional I think this is and that I have NO interest in dealing with them.Am I being naive / over-reacting, or have I got a valid point?
I'm getting increasingly pissed off at agent tactics as each week goes by. One has taken it upon himself after being told I'm not interested in his services that he'll try and get contacts and other information out of me, or using my name as a referral when speaking to other people
If it's not working it's not working for a reason, perhaps time to do something else if there's that much scratching around.
If it's not working it's not working for a reason, perhaps time to do something else if there's that much scratching around.
Simbu said:
I'm looking for a new job in the near future, so i stuck my CV up on one of the big job sites a couple of weeks ago. I've had plenty of interest (too much really) and have been 'filtering by voicemail', otherwise I'd be getting no work done!
I've just come out of a meeting and been told by a colleague that 'friend' called for me into the office. turns out I also have 2 missed calls and email from an agent of the same name given on the phone at work.
Now, i'm thoroughly pissed off about this. Calling someone at work, when i've not explicitly given this number as a contact option, I think is massively unprofessional and crosses a very clear line.
I'm tempted to reply back to this little st by email and copy in the agency's MD, making it clear how unprofessional I think this is and that I have NO interest in dealing with them.
Am I being naive / over-reacting, or have I got a valid point?
Are you permie or contract?I've just come out of a meeting and been told by a colleague that 'friend' called for me into the office. turns out I also have 2 missed calls and email from an agent of the same name given on the phone at work.
Now, i'm thoroughly pissed off about this. Calling someone at work, when i've not explicitly given this number as a contact option, I think is massively unprofessional and crosses a very clear line.
I'm tempted to reply back to this little s
t by email and copy in the agency's MD, making it clear how unprofessional I think this is and that I have NO interest in dealing with them.Am I being naive / over-reacting, or have I got a valid point?
Simbu said:
Permie
Possibly bad form, but does depend on whether he's simply called mobile/work/email one after the other or whether he's left a message on the mobile and you've taken your time getting back to him and he had an urgent requirement.Depends how pissed off you want to be and whether its compromised your position where you are. If your CV is in the public domain, then its not exactly being unprofessional, just not that subtle.
So he's bang on the money with the kind of job you're looking for, it was obviously urgent, and he's tried every which way to get you the opportunity which is exactly what you're after and have agreed to interview for with someone else, unfortunatley for him.
You sound almost pleased that his efforts to find you the job have been scuppered, to your detriment.
You sound almost pleased that his efforts to find you the job have been scuppered, to your detriment.
TIGA84 said:
So he's bang on the money with the kind of job you're looking for, it was obviously urgent, and he's tried every which way to get you the opportunity which is exactly what you're after and have agreed to interview for with someone else, unfortunatley for him.
You sound almost pleased that his efforts to find you the job have been scuppered, to your detriment.
You must be a recruitment consultant to come out with such rubbish. You don't ring a candidate at work without their permission ever. It's like a divorce lawyer ringing you at home when you haven't told the wife you want to split up yet!!You sound almost pleased that his efforts to find you the job have been scuppered, to your detriment.
I'm assuming the agent has called him at work by looking up the number by his employers name on a CV, not because the candidate gave a work number. Perhaps that can be confirmed as to whats happened here?
You agents need to think that through, it doesn't matter how urgent someone thinks their job is, you don't compromise a candidate by leaving messages for them in the office. Lowers the chances of them ever taking your call again, lowers the level of trust and increases their worry levels and the chances of you being told to fk off, not because they don't want the opportunity, but because you've backed them into a corner that they don't need to be in. It's not good form
You agents need to think that through, it doesn't matter how urgent someone thinks their job is, you don't compromise a candidate by leaving messages for them in the office. Lowers the chances of them ever taking your call again, lowers the level of trust and increases their worry levels and the chances of you being told to f
k off, not because they don't want the opportunity, but because you've backed them into a corner that they don't need to be in. It's not good formBluequay said:
You must be a recruitment consultant to come out with such rubbish. You don't ring a candidate at work without their permission ever. It's like a divorce lawyer ringing you at home when you haven't told the wife you want to split up yet!!
I has a feeling that this would be an outcome of my comment. Your analogy is slightly flawed unfortunately insofar as the chap has his CV in the public domain, openly advertising that he is looking for work. The divorce comment doesn't really work in parallell as much, but I see your point.I would have maybe considered my previous posts where I mentioned that I didn't particularly condone the way the consultant approached the matter, but more the attitude that he was already interviewing for the role and was pleased that he had reason to attack his approach. I did ask whether certain timescales had been involved, but unfortunatley (and somewhat unsurprisingly) they remained unanswered.
I will concede however, that my experience is 100% contract biased so this in my head is more acceptable, given the candidates I've always dealt with are slightly more flexible when speaking to at work, and work to much much shorter timescales rather than perm guys, where I can see that a more subtle approach would be more well received.
OP - no point in complaining to the MD of the recruitment firm - they'll pat their lad on the back for his perseverance and dedication in contacting you.
Besides he wasn't that unprofessional; he didn't say he was working for XYZ recruitment, just that he was a friend, and banked that you'd recall his name.
I'd also add that 'not working with them' or 'making a complaint' also means they are no longer working for you, and indeed may actively work against you.
So you may see a nice juicy new job advertised by them that your skills fit perfectly, but you'd be filed under bin once you apply, and another candidate will get it. Similarly, recruiters do keep candidates in mind, so if they're working regularly in a market sector, you may get a call in 6 months time saying your dream job has come up despite the fact it isn't advertised.
They are also likely to have better relations with the hiring firm than you do, and they sell candidates for a living, so are more likely to close you for the position than you would be, assuming you are their number 1 candidate.
Besides he wasn't that unprofessional; he didn't say he was working for XYZ recruitment, just that he was a friend, and banked that you'd recall his name.
I'd also add that 'not working with them' or 'making a complaint' also means they are no longer working for you, and indeed may actively work against you.
So you may see a nice juicy new job advertised by them that your skills fit perfectly, but you'd be filed under bin once you apply, and another candidate will get it. Similarly, recruiters do keep candidates in mind, so if they're working regularly in a market sector, you may get a call in 6 months time saying your dream job has come up despite the fact it isn't advertised.
They are also likely to have better relations with the hiring firm than you do, and they sell candidates for a living, so are more likely to close you for the position than you would be, assuming you are their number 1 candidate.
andy-xr said:
I'm getting increasingly pissed off at agent tactics as each week goes by. One has taken it upon himself after being told I'm not interested in his services that he'll try and get contacts and other information out of me, or using my name as a referral when speaking to other people
If it's not working it's not working for a reason, perhaps time to do something else if there's that much scratching around.
I've had the same, two different agents contacting me at work. The only way they could've got the number is by seeing who I'm currently doing work for and then going through their switchboard. To be honest my boss is ok with them phoning but it's a bit of a slippery tactic when you've clearly stated contact methods on your CV.If it's not working it's not working for a reason, perhaps time to do something else if there's that much scratching around.
0000 said:
Standard practice for a recruiter.
The entire industry is devoid of scruples.
No its not - never call at work unless express permission is given. CV's have contact details, those are what should be used. Occasionally I'll search for a home phone if none is given, but I'd never call someone on their work phone unless they said it was OK. The entire industry is devoid of scruples.
mondeoman said:
No its not - never call at work unless express permission is given. CV's have contact details, those are what should be used. Occasionally I'll search for a home phone if none is given, but I'd never call someone on their work phone unless they said it was OK.
EXACTLYDon't call me at work !
Trying to explain to a pushy recruiter on the phone with my manager just in earshot in a tiny office is cringey in the extreme.
Call me on my mobile and -shock horror- if I am busy, I will call you back. I'm sure the job will wait half a day or whatever.
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