am i stupid or is this not such a simple thing that should

[jamie128]

be implemented to dole scroungers who cba to work?

For the ones who havent somehow claimed disability for 'depression/made up st' (I know depression is real but not in all these chavs it isent), why doesent david cameron arrange that they clean up litter in the street or undertake community service or they wont recieve thier dole money?

The streets would be cleaner, it would give a push for the chavs who cba to work to at least attempt to look for a different job and they would be working for the money they scrounge?

[Marty63]

I received an forwarded e-mail a while ago seemingly from a rig worker with same beef

His suggestion was to introduce random drug tests as he had to endure before going rig side

if anyone was to be found to be doped up = no money

sounds good in theory but

it would create other problems

[jamie128]

Marty63 said:

I received an forwarded e-mail a while ago seemingly from a rig worker with same beef

His suggestion was to introduce random drug tests as he had to endure before going rig side

if anyone was to be found to be doped up = no money

sounds good in theory but

it would create other problems

what would making them work for their money cause?

[sicarumba]

Like this you mean?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-17200688

[cal216610]

Would you then sack road sweepers and council litter pickers?
Although, I suppose you could get them to litter pick along canal paths and other walkways that us taxpayers use on a regular occasion.
Would these people be entitled to days off for job hunting, health and safety inductions, team building exercises etc...
Or is this just one of those can of worms?

[jamie128]

cal216610 said:

Would you then sack road sweepers and council litter pickers?
Although, I suppose you could get them to litter pick along canal paths and other walkways that us taxpayers use on a regular occasion.
Would these people be entitled to days off for job hunting, health and safety inductions, team building exercises etc...
Or is this just one of those can of worms?

Lets say 2 days a week so days are free to jobhunt etc.

No keep them employed, but they cant get everything in the street, there are all sorts of simple jobs anyone could at least help with

[cal216610]

jamie128 said:

Lets say 2 days a week so days are free to jobhunt etc.

No keep them employed, but they cant get everything in the street, there are all sorts of simple jobs anyone could at least help with

Is this what tesco and the rest have been accused of recently? Working for benefits etc...

[sday12]

Enforced Labour, Drug Testing, Why don't we just sterilise them?

[davepoth]

cal216610 said:

Is this what tesco and the rest have been accused of recently? Working for benefits etc...

No, that's full time, and might lead to a job. Frankly I'd be quite happy to do a couple of days a week for my dole, perhaps volunteering for a charity or similar.

[chryslerben]

sday12 said:

Enforced Labour, Drug Testing, Why don't we just sterilise them?

I like your thinking, do you fancy a job?

[Caesar9]

I think this would be a good idea for the long term unemployed. Say 3 months out of work and get them doing so many hours a week of "community service" for councils etc. I can't see it working though after all the news about big employers pulling out of a similar scheme last week.

[Z4monster]

What you seem to be forgetting is that a lot of them DON'T WANT TO WORK!

Having been unemployed myself years ago I know how hard it can be if you haven't got a job.

However, some people become so indoctrinated to the system that they no longer wish to do anything else. They get used to the life (or may never have known any different) and so absolutely have no desire to do ANYTHING to get their money.

Can you imagine having to deal with these people on a daily basis. If you were in charge of them it would be an absolute waste of you time and very few would do it willingly. Having had permanent staff who were a nightmare to manage, I can only imagine how bad these fkers would be.

Great Idea but a total non starter IMO. Complete waste of time and space trying to get them working if they don't want to.

[jamie128]

Z4monster said:

What you seem to be forgetting is that a lot of them DON'T WANT TO WORK!

Having been unemployed myself years ago I know how hard it can be if you haven't got a job.

However, some people become so indoctrinated to the system that they no longer wish to do anything else. They get used to the life (or may never have known any different) and so absolutely have no desire to do ANYTHING to get their money.

Can you imagine having to deal with these people on a daily basis. If you were in charge of them it would be an absolute waste of you time and very few would do it willingly. Having had permanent staff who were a nightmare to manage, I can only imagine how bad these fkers would be.

Great Idea but a total non starter IMO. Complete waste of time and space trying to get them working if they don't want to.

You misread my post dude, it should be so that they HAVE to do the work or they wont recieve thier benefits

[Meoricin]

jamie128 said:

You misread my post dude, it should be so that they HAVE to do the work or they wont recieve thier benefits

So you put their supervisor in a position of being able to deny them their money? That'd be an awful lot of power to give to someone.

[Z4monster]

jamie128 said:

You misread my post dude, it should be so that they HAVE to do the work or they wont recieve thier benefits

No I didn't misread it. Can you imagine the following. Scrote turns up at 12pm instead of 8am and gets told that he won't get his money that week. How is he going to express his displeasure at this news? If we get riots on britain over nothing, then imagine if we take money off the scrotes.

[vxsmithers]

Caesar9 said:

I think this would be a good idea for the long term unemployed. Say 3 months out of work

seriously? Typical of the short termist view of business in this country

[12gauge]

Politicians dont control things. People who elect politicians to control things dont control things.

Lawyers and the ECHR's control things. Just look at how many lawyers line up to decry cuts as illegal, library closures as illegal, even reducing the solar panel subsidy as 'illegal'. And yet its apparently perfectly legal to pass down billions in debt to pay for those things.

I guess its no surprise, look at how many lawyers are also politicians and its plain to see they act only to enrich themselves and their lawyer friends.

[Puffing Devil]

vxsmithers said:

seriously? Typical of the short termist view of business in this country

Less than 3 months out of work after graduation in this recession you'd be considered pretty lucky by a lot of students. I agree with the general principle though.

As long as a certain percentage of placements translate into jobs, I don't even see why companies shouldn't take benefits earners on work placements - the major problem was that the placements weren't translating into enough jobs. However companies seemed to have subtly shifted blame onto the government by citing benefits removal + executed a nice power play showing they can simply choose not to engage with the scheme, which makes setting targets for job translation quite hard on the government's part.

However the government do have the Lib Dems, so they've got an opportunity to play a little chess back surely? Conduct a lot of polls to find out what public opinion really is - they can't be so out of touch that they don't realise it's about people working for free without the prospect of a job, rather than people on benefits having to work. Then offer the companies the same deal where people lose their benefits if they don't go on a placement, with percentage targets for job translation. If they refuse have the Lib Dems attack them for being willing to take a free ride, and whip up public opinion against them with threats of boycott if they don't agree to the terms.

Well that's what they would do if they had some actual backbone. It's easier for them to just fold though.

[New POD]

davepoth said:

Frankly I'd be quite happy to do a couple of days a week for my dole, perhaps volunteering for a charity or similar.

Frankly whatever the charities would have you think, they don't want just anyone.


Wifey does a day a week for the CAB, and there was a proper interview and lots of applicants are not suitable.

[Caesar9]

vxsmithers said:

seriously? Typical of the short termist view of business in this country

I meant to stop the "long term unemployed" sitting comfortably doing naff all for years on end with no intention of getting one anytime soon.
I didn't mean 3 months is long term unemployed. 3 months of serious job hunting and most people should be able to find an entry level job or something to tide them over until they can get properly back on their feet.
Undoubtedly genuine job seekers are going to end up being "punished" in this scheme though as I understand that even with some proper job hunting people can be out of work for alot longer.