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miniman
Original Poster
16,015 posts
131 months
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Autosport said: Ferrari needs to rally around Felipe Massa in order to lift his performances in future grands prix, according to team principal Stefano Domenicali.
"In my view the problem is that this car is quite difficult, not easy. It can be very good and it can also be quite difficult." Surely a clear confirmation that Massa has some photos of Domenicali and di Montezemelo trying to out-do Moseley in some seedy Milan strip joint. Seriously, do they really not think they can get some better results by ditching him and slotting in someone who at least seems keen to do a decent job?
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Podie
38,414 posts
144 months
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 Hello Perez...
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sherbert90
1,008 posts
21 months
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Maybe they are setting things up to get rid of him. They make it look like they want to help him, if he doesn't perform, sack him and say "well we tried".
/tinfoil
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Nick M
3,137 posts
92 months
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If they're serious about winning championships then they need to stop making excuses for a driver who clearly isn't delivering.
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Derek Smith
16,056 posts
117 months
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Nick M said: If they're serious about winning championships then they need to stop making excuses for a driver who clearly isn't delivering. Rumours are that Alonso can say yes or no to his team mate. Can't think why he should beleive it so important. From Alonso's point of view, Massa is about as good as it gets. From a Ferrari point of view they are likely to have a shot at the WCC if they have two decent drivers but then that will dilute their efforts. A one man team worked in the past. Fast Eddie was never a problem. The only thing at the moment is that they need a decent car. Perhps Massa might be pressured into being magnanimous again and swopping seats with someone in another Ferrari based team.
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belleair302
4,452 posts
76 months
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Fiat Twin Air for Massa....new company car for Perez before Monaco!!
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Podie
38,414 posts
144 months
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IIRC, 2006-2008 Massa was showing promise. Since his accident, he's really gone off the boil.
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E30M3SE
6,675 posts
65 months
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Their first priority is surely to sort the car out, as unless there is another Alonso out there who has yet to be discovered, neither WCC or WDC is on this year with the car as it is, unless Bernies sprinkler idea is set to come into effect from the next race on.
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DanDC5
6,927 posts
36 months
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Derek Smith said: Rumours are that Alonso can say yes or no to his team mate. Can't think why he should beleive it so important. From Alonso's point of view, Massa is about as good as it gets.
From a Ferrari point of view they are likely to have a shot at the WCC if they have two decent drivers but then that will dilute their efforts. A one man team worked in the past. Fast Eddie was never a problem. The only thing at the moment is that they need a decent car.
Perhps Massa might be pressured into being magnanimous again and swopping seats with someone in another Ferrari based team. Irvine was very nearly Ferrari's biggest ever problem, can you imagine the reaction if he'd taken the championship in 99? They'd laid all their eggs in one basket with the highly paid German and the chosen number 2 came oh so close to beating him to the prize.
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Soovy
32,020 posts
140 months
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Podie said: Hello Perez... Massa is history after yesterday. Perez backed off from Alonso on Ferrari orders. His prize? The second Ferrari seat.
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E30M3SE
6,675 posts
65 months
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Soovy said: Massa is history after yesterday.
Perez backed off from Alonso on Ferrari orders. His prize? The second Ferrari seat. 
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Soovy
32,020 posts
140 months
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E30M3SE said: Soovy said: Massa is history after yesterday.
Perez backed off from Alonso on Ferrari orders. His prize? The second Ferrari seat. You wait and see. Perez in, Massa out. New engine deal for SAuber for next year.
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E30M3SE
6,675 posts
65 months
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You maybe right and Perez may well have his arse in a Ferrari at some point, either this season or the next, but him backing off on Ferrari orders is just laughable if you were watching the same race as I was.
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IainT
8,034 posts
107 months
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The poor pace from Massa is one thing but his 'defend or crash' attitude to racing is, imo, his biggest weakness. I think that the only thing that stopped his jinking and faked side-swipes resulting in an accident was him being so slow. That and JB being ultra-wary around him.
I doubt we'll see him replaced before the end of the season but I can't see him on the grid let alone in red next season.
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sleep envy
59,337 posts
118 months
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Soovy said: Perez backed off from Alonso on Ferrari orders.  
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Soovy
32,020 posts
140 months
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E30M3SE said: You maybe right and Perez may well have his arse in a Ferrari at some point, either this season or the next, but him backing off on Ferrari orders is just laughable if you were watching the same race as I was. You did see it, and hear the comment from the SAuber pit? "Errr, we need THIS place, THIS place" "Roger" Five seconds later Perez makes a "mistake" handing Alonso the win.
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sleep envy
59,337 posts
118 months
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Soovy said: Five seconds later Perez makes a "mistake" handing Alonso the win. the radio transmissions are delayed
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Soovy
32,020 posts
140 months
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sleep envy said: Soovy said: Five seconds later Perez makes a "mistake" handing Alonso the win. the radio transmissions are delayed Fair point, but only by a few seconds. I still think Sauber threw it on Luca's orders. "Eeeeeeeeeeeef eeeeeeeeeeeee paaaaaaazzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Alonso den a no morrrrrrrrrrrrra en-jeanzzzzzzzzzz for you"
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sleep envy
59,337 posts
118 months
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yes, because when team orders are issued drivers fall off the island rather than just follow the lead car you're quite right 
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E30M3SE
6,675 posts
65 months
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Soovy said: Fair point, but only by a few seconds.
I still think Sauber threw it on Luca's orders.
"Eeeeeeeeeeeef eeeeeeeeeeeee paaaaaaazzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Alonso den a no morrrrrrrrrrrrra en-jeanzzzzzzzzzz for you" Best get busy folding as per the instructions above.
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