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Jimbeaux

27,973 posts

116 months

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Thursday 24th May 2012 quote quote all
TTwiggy said:
XitUp said:
I think you're being overly emotional about the issue. Wanting things banned because they have the potential to be dangerous in the wrong hands is a strange point of view to take on a motoring forum.
And yet the Americans pursue a rigorous ban on certain narcotics...
You don't?

TTwiggy

4,639 posts

89 months

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Thursday 24th May 2012 quote quote all
Jimbeaux said:
TTwiggy said:
XitUp said:
I think you're being overly emotional about the issue. Wanting things banned because they have the potential to be dangerous in the wrong hands is a strange point of view to take on a motoring forum.
And yet the Americans pursue a rigorous ban on certain narcotics...
You don't?
We didn't until you lot told us to wink

We didn't have a drug 'problem' before 1972, when we adopted your approach of criminalising the users.

For the record though, I do love the USA, and I support the second ammendment. It's just a shame that your government is 'happy' for you to all be armed, but doesn't want you to have a good time. Damn puritans.

KB_S1

5,967 posts

114 months

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Thursday 24th May 2012 quote quote all
Jimbeaux said:
As he was talking all of the U.S., I would say everywhere over there. If you say that makes no sense, I will say thank you for agreeing with my point. smile
Is US crime and violence rates on the increase?

jaedba2604

840 posts

32 months

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Thursday 24th May 2012 quote quote all
XitUp said:
I think you're missing the point.

My opinion doesn't matter, neither does yours. Facts do. Facts show the correlation between wealth gap and crime rate.

Sorry if that upsets you or doesn't fit your politics. But as I said, your politics (and mine) don't really matter.

Some reading for you:
http://psych.mcmaster.ca/dalywilson/iiahr2001.pdf
http://www.equalitytrust.org.uk/resources/slides

Edited by XitUp on Thursday 24th May 17:38
i'm not missing the point.

1) if it is your opinion, please state it thus. interpretation of facts is opinion, not fact.
2) it doesn't upset me, i am not disputing the gap between wealth is correlated to gun crime, it was me who made that point iirc, my problem is with how you deal with the wealth gap, that was the whole nub of my post. your politics merely papers over the cracks (or gaps if you prefer), my contention suggests dealing with the underlying cause, and the attitudes which create a wealth gap, and then resent that gap that they have created.

i do not really need to read your academic out takes.

every time you pop up i am reminded of that scene in good will hunting, in the bar, where some smug tt keeps regurgitating passages from text books without any consideration whatsoever for their application, or really giving it any thought. he ended up looking silly too.

if you wish to attempt to earn your intellectual stripes by posting one dimensional responses on an internet forum, then i hope it works for you. i cannot question your self confidence, and that, in some ways, is admirable.

Jimbeaux

27,973 posts

116 months

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Thursday 24th May 2012 quote quote all
TTwiggy said:
Jimbeaux said:
TTwiggy said:
XitUp said:
I think you're being overly emotional about the issue. Wanting things banned because they have the potential to be dangerous in the wrong hands is a strange point of view to take on a motoring forum.
And yet the Americans pursue a rigorous ban on certain narcotics...
You don't?
We didn't until you lot told us to wink

We didn't have a drug 'problem' before 1972, when we adopted your approach of criminalising the users.

For the record though, I do love the USA, and I support the second ammendment. It's just a shame that your government is 'happy' for you to all be armed, but doesn't want you to have a good time. Damn puritans.
hehe
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Jimbeaux

27,973 posts

116 months

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Thursday 24th May 2012 quote quote all
KB_S1 said:
Jimbeaux said:
As he was talking all of the U.S., I would say everywhere over there. If you say that makes no sense, I will say thank you for agreeing with my point. smile
Is US crime and violence rates on the increase?
On the overall, I believe no.

martin84

5,366 posts

38 months

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Thursday 24th May 2012 quote quote all
Jimbeaux said:
On the overall, I believe no.
Been pretty static in Afghanistan for a while too. Must mean its perfectly safe.

Jimbeaux

27,973 posts

116 months

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Thursday 24th May 2012 quote quote all
martin84 said:
Jimbeaux said:
On the overall, I believe no.
Been pretty static in Afghanistan for a while too. Must mean its perfectly safe.
Wow, that was pretty pointless. As I said, "overall"; other aspects, such as the beforementioned black on black is on the rise.
I get the distinct impression that you are trying to drive a full sized intellect before being properly licensed.

Edited by Jimbeaux on Thursday 24th May 19:45

KB_S1

5,967 posts

114 months

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Thursday 24th May 2012 quote quote all
Jimbeaux said:
On the overall, I believe no.
Ok, so I am lost now then. Where is the "skyrocketing rate of crime and violence? "

Is this something martin84 said?

Jimbeaux

27,973 posts

116 months

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Thursday 24th May 2012 quote quote all
KB_S1 said:
Jimbeaux said:
On the overall, I believe no.
Ok, so I am lost now then. Where is the "skyrocketing rate of crime and violence? "

Is this something martin84 said?
I said that about the U.K.'s crime rate when I asked Martin to explain that as only crooks have guns, wink

KB_S1

5,967 posts

114 months

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Thursday 24th May 2012 quote quote all
Jimbeaux said:
I said that about the U.K.'s crime rate when I asked Martin to explain that as only crooks have guns, wink
Ah, right. But the UK crime rate is dropping, has been for a while.

Jimbeaux

27,973 posts

116 months

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Thursday 24th May 2012 quote quote all
KB_S1 said:
Jimbeaux said:
I said that about the U.K.'s crime rate when I asked Martin to explain that as only crooks have guns, wink
Ah, right. But the UK crime rate is dropping, has been for a while.
I suppose that the PH massive has it wrong then; I am constantly hearing how muggings and beatings by the Chavtastics is on the rise.

KB_S1

5,967 posts

114 months

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Thursday 24th May 2012 quote quote all
Nah, UK crime rate lowest since modern records began in 1981.

Efbe

6,121 posts

51 months

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Thursday 24th May 2012 quote quote all
martin84 said:
Surely statistics on vandalism against wealthy peoples cars would be more relevent to judging the difference between the UK and Germany on this matter?

Plenty get murdered in the Congo, not because they're jealous of peoples cars mind.
This thread seems to have gone wildly off tangant, so i'm not going to try and pull it back fully.

Going back to vandalism comments, and anyone trying to say Germany is better than britain for vandalism. This is obviously incorrect as Germany is the cause of all vandalism, and can be absolutely proven.

Efbe

6,121 posts

51 months

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Thursday 24th May 2012 quote quote all
Jimbeaux said:
KB_S1 said:
Jimbeaux said:
I said that about the U.K.'s crime rate when I asked Martin to explain that as only crooks have guns, wink
Ah, right. But the UK crime rate is dropping, has been for a while.
I suppose that the PH massive has it wrong then; I am constantly hearing how muggings and beatings by the Chavtastics is on the rise.
it is dropping overall from the stats I have seen.

this is exactly the british perception of our own country I mentioned previously.

Jimbeaux

27,973 posts

116 months

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Here is a site that breaks it down by crime:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2011/jul/1...

KB_S1

5,967 posts

114 months

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Quite interesting stats. Uk has had a fairly significant population increase over last decade too, and those figures are absolute, not per capita.

Jimbeaux

27,973 posts

116 months

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Thursday 24th May 2012 quote quote all
KB_S1 said:
Quite interesting stats. Uk has had a fairly significant population increase over last decade too, and those figures are absolute, not per capita.
Someone took some time on that. Even outs the best/worse neighborhoods. smile

XitUp

7,690 posts

89 months

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Thursday 24th May 2012 quote quote all
TTwiggy said:
And yet the Americans pursue a rigorous ban on certain narcotics...
Prohibition doesn't work, but we can't just blame the yanks for it. Most countries have the same stupid laws on drugs.

Jimbeaux said:
I appreciate your thoughtful response but I must take issue with a couple of points. First, black on black crime is at an all time high, not sure why you would think that the 80s and 90s was a peak. Secondly, to simply say that the income gap is responsible is not entirely true. There are many lower income communities that do not have high crime rates. The high crime rates fall into those communities that glorifies a culture of violence through dress, music, etc. as something to be respected, have 90% single mother households, and do not foster a sense of community.
Really? Can you give me a link to the stats please. I know that black men are far more likely to be murdered than any other demographic but I didn't realise that it was going up again. That's pretty sad.

Notice that I didn't say more poverty = more crime. It's not about income, it's about inequality.
jaedba2604 said:
i'm not missing the point.

1) if it is your opinion, please state it thus. interpretation of facts is opinion, not fact.
2) it doesn't upset me, i am not disputing the gap between wealth is correlated to gun crime, it was me who made that point iirc, my problem is with how you deal with the wealth gap, that was the whole nub of my post. your politics merely papers over the cracks (or gaps if you prefer), my contention suggests dealing with the underlying cause, and the attitudes which create a wealth gap, and then resent that gap that they have created.

i do not really need to read your academic out takes.

every time you pop up i am reminded of that scene in good will hunting, in the bar, where some smug tt keeps regurgitating passages from text books without any consideration whatsoever for their application, or really giving it any thought. he ended up looking silly too.

if you wish to attempt to earn your intellectual stripes by posting one dimensional responses on an internet forum, then i hope it works for you. i cannot question your self confidence, and that, in some ways, is admirable.
You are missing the point and you're not as clever as you like to think.
1) I haven't stated any opinions on the subject, just facts.
2) What are my politics?

Every time you pop I'm reminded of nothing as I don't know who you are. It's cute that you remember me though. xo

Efbe said:
This thread seems to have gone wildly off tangant, so i'm not going to try and pull it back fully.

Going back to vandalism comments, and anyone trying to say Germany is better than britain for vandalism. This is obviously incorrect as Germany is the cause of all vandalism, and can be absolutely proven.
biggrin

Jimbeaux

27,973 posts

116 months

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Thursday 24th May 2012 quote quote all
XitUp said:
TTwiggy said:
And yet the Americans pursue a rigorous ban on certain narcotics...
Prohibition doesn't work, but we can't just blame the yanks for it. Most countries have the same stupid laws on drugs.

Jimbeaux said:
I appreciate your thoughtful response but I must take issue with a couple of points. First, black on black crime is at an all time high, not sure why you would think that the 80s and 90s was a peak. Secondly, to simply say that the income gap is responsible is not entirely true. There are many lower income communities that do not have high crime rates. The high crime rates fall into those communities that glorifies a culture of violence through dress, music, etc. as something to be respected, have 90% single mother households, and do not foster a sense of community.
Really? Can you give me a link to the stats please. I know that black men are far more likely to be murdered than any other demographic but I didn't realise that it was going up again. That's pretty sad.

Notice that I didn't say more poverty = more crime. It's not about income, it's about inequality.
jaedba2604 said:
i'm not missing the point.

1) if it is your opinion, please state it thus. interpretation of facts is opinion, not fact.
2) it doesn't upset me, i am not disputing the gap between wealth is correlated to gun crime, it was me who made that point iirc, my problem is with how you deal with the wealth gap, that was the whole nub of my post. your politics merely papers over the cracks (or gaps if you prefer), my contention suggests dealing with the underlying cause, and the attitudes which create a wealth gap, and then resent that gap that they have created.

i do not really need to read your academic out takes.

every time you pop up i am reminded of that scene in good will hunting, in the bar, where some smug tt keeps regurgitating passages from text books without any consideration whatsoever for their application, or really giving it any thought. he ended up looking silly too.

if you wish to attempt to earn your intellectual stripes by posting one dimensional responses on an internet forum, then i hope it works for you. i cannot question your self confidence, and that, in some ways, is admirable.
You are missing the point and you're not as clever as you like to think.
1) I haven't stated any opinions on the subject, just facts.
2) What are my politics?

Every time you pop I'm reminded of nothing as I don't know who you are. It's cute that you remember me though. xo

Efbe said:
This thread seems to have gone wildly off tangant, so i'm not going to try and pull it back fully.

Going back to vandalism comments, and anyone trying to say Germany is better than britain for vandalism. This is obviously incorrect as Germany is the cause of all vandalism, and can be absolutely proven.
biggrin
What exactly is "inequality" in your context?
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