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VWDaz86

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233 posts

56 months

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Hi Guys,

Recently started a new job, Parents are convinced I'm being paid below minimum wage for the amount of hours I do, I really haven't got a head for maths and have tried to work it out for myself but get myself confused, so I would be very grateful if someone more experienced/knowledgeable could give me a second opinion.

Some Details,

Annual Salary is 14.5k
Working hours are
Mon - Fri 8am - 6pm with 1 hour lunch
Saturdays 8.30am - 1pm with no official break but on a 1 in 3 rota (was 1 in 2 until this week)
Tax code is 747L If that's relevant?

Saturdays aren't shown as extra pay on my wage slip, just one line of salary
Parents say my mon-fri is 45hrs and if you take the time from the Saturdays and spread equally on top of the week hours, (so it would increase the hours worked mon-fri if you are following this) that equates to £5.99 p.h. and so is below minimum wage

Any Thoughts?
Thanks in advance smile

davepoth

20,186 posts

69 months

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So I work that out at 45 hrs a week, plus 4.5 hrs every third week, for an average of 46.5 hours a week.

£14,500 divided by 52 gives £278.85 a week, and that divided by 46.5 is £5.996 per hour.

If you are 21 or over the minimum wage is £6.08, 18-20 it's £4.98, and £3.68 for 16 and 17 year olds.

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/employment/employees/t...

VWDaz86

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233 posts

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Thanks Dave, So looks like they are right (I'm 25). Time for a discussion in the morning I think.

davepoth

20,186 posts

69 months

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VWDaz86 said:
Thanks Dave, So looks like they are right (I'm 25). Time for a discussion in the morning I think.
the argument they'll have is that your normal hours are only 45 a week. However, your hours need to be averaged over a 12 week period, which will come out at 46.5.

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Employment/Employees/P...

And they do have to pay you the arrears.

http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/paye/payroll/day-to-day/nmw...

New POD

2,119 posts

20 months

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davepoth said:
So I work that out at 45 hrs a week, plus 4.5 hrs every third week, for an average of 46.5 hours a week.

£14,500 divided by 52 gives £278.85 a week, and that divided by 46.5 is £5.996 per hour.

If you are 21 or over the minimum wage is £6.08, 18-20 it's £4.98, and £3.68 for 16 and 17 year olds.

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/employment/employees/t...
TO the OP : Ignoring the law, you need to ask yourself why at 25 years of age you are content to earn £5.99 or £6.08 an hour ? Get some training, some skills, some qualifications at night school, and get a job which pays a living wage.

Ask yourself why your parents are concerned ? They want you to move on with your life, move out and then they can relax and Say "We Done our job" (In the nicest possible way)

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VWDaz86

Original Poster:

233 posts

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New POD said:
TO the OP : Ignoring the law, you need to ask yourself why at 25 years of age you are content to earn £5.99 or £6.08 an hour ? Get some training, some skills, some qualifications at night school, and get a job which pays a living wage.

Ask yourself why your parents are concerned ? They want you to move on with your life, move out and then they can relax and Say "We Done our job" (In the nicest possible way)
I'm really not content, believe me. I'm sick of earning rubbish money and I'm in a rut I don't know where to go next to actually get a decent paid job, Rubbish pay Is all I've ever had in stable jobs.

I'm an NVQ level 3 and vw trained technician/mechanic which I worked bloody hard at, did good work and loved the job.
Got made redundant at end of apprenticeship in 2006 due to them not needing the staff(was always a risk of that happening). Then was a parts adviser on minimum or just above till 2010, moved into an 18k pa job at a parts supplier, the role was so pressurized with impossible targets(I mean impossible, not I was too lazy to achieve them, they wanted £1800 pre-vat a day sales, not easy when all your selling is filters, blades and brakes to the general public over a counter and your one of 3 doing it, while the long employed favorites in the phone office were getting turbos/clutches etc off the main trade customers).

So after the 6 month trial period they got rid of me and everyone else who started at the same time(since heard they are on their 4th lot of staff in those roles since I left). Got a 15k pa job 25 miles from home which killed me financially so started looking round and got this which is 2 miles from home, so that has saved me a fair packet.

Bit of a rant I know, Im not afraid of hard work, just really hard to get a job with an employer who pays decent money in my skilled area

New POD

2,119 posts

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VWDaz86 said:
I'm skilled but not using my skills.
Right now then, we need to give you the PH kick up the arse.

This time next year rodney, you'll be a millionaire.

Step 1) You is going to go part time in the job you hate.
2) Agree with parents to help you set up as a mobile mechanic, with a view to setting up a permanent workshop within the year. Their investment is reduction of board and lodgings, and encouragement.
3) You is going to be PH businessman of 2013.
4) Take a business card to Every Garage in the area, tell them you are available for freelance work, when they have capacity issues. Advertise in Local Paper and Google maps and what have you.

Bloody hell - wake up and do it.

You might want to employ your mum to do the books if your maths is really bad

davepoth

20,186 posts

69 months

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VWDaz86 said:
Bit of a rant I know, Im not afraid of hard work, just really hard to get a job with an employer who pays decent money in my skilled area
Any job is better than no job, and as you say you're better off than you were before since the job is close to you.

bobmcgod

197 posts

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New POD said:
TO the OP : Ignoring the law, you need to ask yourself why at 25 years of age you are content to earn £5.99 or £6.08 an hour ? Get some training, some skills, some qualifications at night school, and get a job which pays a living wage.

Ask yourself why your parents are concerned ? They want you to move on with your life, move out and then they can relax and Say "We Done our job" (In the nicest possible way)
Really easy to type that...

Spyder5

802 posts

35 months

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bobmcgod said:
New POD said:
TO the OP : Ignoring the law, you need to ask yourself why at 25 years of age you are content to earn £5.99 or £6.08 an hour ? Get some training, some skills, some qualifications at night school, and get a job which pays a living wage.

Ask yourself why your parents are concerned ? They want you to move on with your life, move out and then they can relax and Say "We Done our job" (In the nicest possible way)
Really easy to type that...
This was me 10 years ago (VW too), now I have a ONC, HNC and BSc in Civil Engineering plus 10 years of industry experience. It can be done, but it isn't easy.

My salary has tripled in that time though, so it is worth it eventually.

Edited by Spyder5 on Thursday 3rd May 01:03

davepoth

20,186 posts

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bobmcgod said:
Really easy to type that...
Especially for a "Lean Magician", whatever one of those is. wink

hidetheelephants

5,705 posts

63 months

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davepoth said:
bobmcgod said:
Really easy to type that...
Especially for a "Lean Magician", whatever one of those is. wink
Ah, but is he a 'Six Sigma Ninja' as well?

NorthernBoy

6,031 posts

127 months

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Bear in mind that one possible outcome of your having a word is that you are shown the door. It might not be right, but employers flouting the minimum pay regulations might not always turn out to be the most amenable to requests or demands from the workers.

ETOPS

1,650 posts

68 months

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NorthernBoy said:
Bear in mind that one possible outcome of your having a word is that you are shown the door. It might not be right, but employers flouting the minimum pay regulations might not always turn out to be the most amenable to requests or demands from the workers.
I have to agree, you ,at want to heed this advice.

Much as I do sympathise with your position, it is very much an employers market at the moment. Unfortunately, if you start making these demands, you could be 'managed' out of your job, and the door be opened to scores of others waiting to fill your shoes.

I wish you the best. There's money to be made in going independent, so certainly something to look into.

khushy

3,395 posts

89 months

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ETOPS said:
it is very much an employers market at the moment. .
Unless you are in Civil Engineering!!!

liner33

3,716 posts

72 months

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khushy said:
Unless you are in Civil Engineering!!!
Or IT , getting the right skills is very hard

ETOPS

1,650 posts

68 months

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khushy said:
ETOPS said:
it is very much an employers market at the moment. .
Unless you are in Civil Engineering!!!
It is abundantly clear that he is not.

Shy of a couple of sectors, it is still absolutely an employers market. Motor trade included.

Pabl0

217 posts

70 months

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Re evaluate what you have told us about your pay and do not include your breaks as pay and remove 25 days holiday.

So you work 40 hours per week (no pay for breaks) plus 1.5 hours per week for a Saturday. Therefore 41.5 hours per week. Assume you are getting 25 days holiday so you are working 47 weeeks per year and you are being paid 14.5/47/41.5 = £7.43 not £5.99 - allowing for holidays and unpaid breaks.

This does not mean you shouldnt go and obtain a different/better paid job but you are not getting paid below minimum wage for hours worked.

paulrockliffe

2,743 posts

97 months

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Pabl0 said:
Re evaluate what you have told us about your pay and do not include your breaks as pay and remove 25 days holiday.

So you work 40 hours per week (no pay for breaks) plus 1.5 hours per week for a Saturday. Therefore 41.5 hours per week. Assume you are getting 25 days holiday so you are working 47 weeeks per year and you are being paid 14.5/47/41.5 = £7.43 not £5.99 - allowing for holidays and unpaid breaks.

This does not mean you shouldnt go and obtain a different/better paid job but you are not getting paid below minimum wage for hours worked.
You've just diddled him out of his right to paid holiday though!

VWDaz86

Original Poster:

233 posts

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Thanks to all of you for your comments, an update for you.

After a meeting earlier with the director, he apologised, saying it was a genuine oversight and not intentional, he has given me a 1.5k pay rise, rising more once I complete my manufacturer courses.

Happy with that personally. The words of further training etc did hit home, so I have also started looking at courses in motorsport engineering to get me where I would like to be for my long term career

Thanks again to all thumbup
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