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Bluequay
1,131 posts
87 months
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spareparts said: Bluequay said: spareparts said: Bluequay said: spareparts said: When voting for the fan favourite on the racing grid, it is more than just where you end up on the podium. Stoner is fast and talented, yes, we all give him that. But that's about where it ends imho. The more I hear this kid of rubbish the more i'm warming to Stoner. It's not a popularity contest, it's a motor race. Winning is what matters, fans favourite is something for the losers to aspire to, or another way to increase the size of their bank accounts. Lorenzo\Rossi's winning antics weren't because they're "fun" guys, it's PR all designed to increase the bottom line. Of course it is a popularity contest! Being a winner is great and sure attracts many fans, but the race coverage starts long before the red lights go out, and continues long after the chequered flag falls. Schuey for many years was certainly the first to cross the finish line the most times, but is he the greatest? Many regard the likes of Senna ahead... You don't really seem to understand sport. It's about winning, the rest is bulls  t. They can make good money, and have successful careers, but ask any of the riders out there if they'd rather be popular or if they want to win. 100% for winning. You miss my point. I fully agree that winning IS an objective and why the racers race. There would be no races to race in if Joe Public did not feel interested enough in the sport (name any) to pay a ticket for entry and fund the race in the first place. And if you think the rest is all bulls t, then tell me why sponsors pay big $$$ to the marketing and PR people to try and make their racers look good in the eyes of Joe Public before and after every race. Fact is that the public opinion does matter in sport, not just the winning. And you miss my point, which is that winning overrides everything else. You don't need to worry about keeping the sponsors happy if you are winning. They want to win, that is the BEST PR they can possibly get. If you aren't good enough, then you have to be Mr Media Friendly, or Mr Gimmic to keep your ride.
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graphene
876 posts
24 months
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blade7 said: So the under achieving Americans and Spaniards that get factory bikes are there because ?. graphene said: I don't know about this. Are not Lorenzo and Pedrosa both champions, with consistently high finishes? Lorenzo comes from Ibiza   . Formatting failed a bit ^ this looks like right.
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blade7
3,649 posts
85 months
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graphene
876 posts
24 months
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blade7 said: . Yeah, and take your 'Meh, Casey' hat aswell!!!
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Dare2Fail
Original Poster
2,459 posts
77 months
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blade7 said: So the under achieving Americans and Spaniards that get factory bikes are there because ?. Are you not confusing the manufacturers motives with the riders motives? The riders couldn't give a flying f k about bike sales, they just want to win. Those that are winning can get out of a lot of the promotional crap (see Rossi at the peak of his powers) as the manufacturers know that having a winning rider trumps having a PR mouthpiece. As soon as they stop winning they have to start playing the game a bit more (see Hayden, Pedrosa, Rossi). As to the comments about preserving the show as it keeps racing alive; that's the problem of the series organisers. Again, the racers just want to win. For most of them they'd prefer to have a close race but very few of them are going to slow down in order to get one. If they can disappear into the distance and take the win then they will. In the words of Doohan "what do you want me to do? Slow down?". Racers: responsible for winning and playing the PR game when they have to Manufacturers: responsible for selling bikes Race Organisers: responsible for the show
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Pvapour
6,250 posts
122 months
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blade7 said: LoonR1 said: However none of this detracts from his ability, which is exactly the point with Stoner. Many are dismissing his "genius" because he doesn't pander to sponsors or the crowds.
Who's dismissing his genius on a bike ?. The bottom line is money, most of that money comes from sponsors, I'm guessing Stoner is in a position to retire because he was happy to take the sponsors millions. Unless he comes back with a major attitude adjustment he'll be remembered in the same bracket as Roberts JR and Hayden in years to come. not by all, I love his attitude, doesn't suck up to anyone & does what he wants, it seems he gives his loyalty to the people he loves & who love him for who he really is, he's got it right. Do you really think you get to see the real Stoner? do you f k, there isn't a single person in the padock, racer or crew that show who they really are, Stoner has played the game to his advantage & knew when to get out. Is it bad for the sport? yep. Is it bad for the fans? yep. Is it bad for Stoner? nope. what's the alternative, stay to long like Rossi? he's an unbelievable rider with incredible stats, but that wave of fame and achievement fooled him into that one last fight to many, Stoner has read it beautifully imo.
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obscene
3,786 posts
54 months
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CAPP0 said:  You missed FAR too many opportunities to add a "For sure......." (Clue: approximately 6 ) And "y'know" for anyone who hasn't noticed Casey says it about a MILLION times every interview.
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Rawwr
12,654 posts
103 months
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Those who are so pleased about Stoner's retirement will get the championship they so richly deserve. I imagine it will involve Simon Cowell.
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Fleegle
10,634 posts
45 months
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Rawwr said: Those who are so pleased about Stoner's retirement will get the championship they so richly deserve. I imagine it will involve Simon Cowell. I feel indifferent about his decision. While he is pretty damn good on a bike, one rider doesn't make a race. Same applies to Rossi et al. Someone will be along to fill his boots, there always is.
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Rawwr
12,654 posts
103 months
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Fleegle said: I feel indifferent about his decision.
While he is pretty damn good on a bike, one rider doesn't make a race. Same applies to Rossi et al.
Someone will be along to fill his boots, there always is. I was aiming for a slight at people who appear to value personality over talent.
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BlackPrince
785 posts
38 months
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Rawwr said: I was aiming for a slight at people who appear to value personality over talent. I dont understand why people think that Stoner has no personality, its a massive fail-acy. The guy is a brusque, no-nonsense take no prisoners Aussie. Perhaps he's a w ker but I guarantee you that many w kers out there support Stoner because he is plain-spoken, tells it like it is, etc. Thats his personality. The idea that Rossi lovers love him because of his personality and Stoner fans love him for his racing alone is just utter b ks [not having a go at you Rawwr, just saying...]
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Waynester
4,488 posts
119 months
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I'm no Casey fan off track, but on track..the boy can ride. So on that basis, he will be missed.
Without repeating ad nauseam to what has already been said... Factors such as Simo, marriage, baby, and of course he has openly criticized the direction the class is going in, ie CRT, other possible future changes that further close the gap to WSB.
A 240+bhp MotoGP bike is no place to be if your focus is no longer 100%.
Good luck to him, I guess it will provide space for young talent to move up, MM.
Bayliss won on the Duke too.
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