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craigb84
766 posts
21 months
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Wattsie said: Stabbing a guess; it'd step on the Mustangs toes so Ford might be unwilling to risk that.
VW don't even sell the Scirocco in the US, so they presumably don't see the need to provide a rival to it. Can't see the Mustang having anything to do with it. Does nobody remember the Capri rumours / renderings? I think this will be the 3 door. http://www.topspeed.com/cars/ford/2012-ford-capri-...Edit: I can see some good lease deals coming up. Convenient timing for me.
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nickfrog
2,137 posts
86 months
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C7 JFW said: Please, no new RS unless all four wheels are driven and it loses 200kilos. The current RS is way too heavy despite looking the part. Not sure how they would lose 200kgs AND make it 4wd. Keeping it at the same weight with 4wd would be pretty difficult to start with. Unless they make it out of CF and titanium of course...
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fozluvscars
99 posts
13 months
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new focus is butt ugly, and this doesn't look much better...estate looks ok though
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va1o
11,522 posts
76 months
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Prices do seem very cheap, and should still be room for discounts hopefully. ST1 seems pretty well equipped but the ST2 is the one to have I'd imagine.
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well'Rd
70 posts
19 months
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Three doors, five doors, no doors and you have to climb through the sunroof. Really don't think the number of apertures is going to be the problem here. It simply isn't as handsome as the old model and is bound to suffer as a result.. 'cheaper than the rest' or not.
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ambuletz
1,984 posts
50 months
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Will they still have the asbo orange?
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Wattsie
1,133 posts
70 months
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craigb84 said: Can't see the Mustang having anything to do with it. Does nobody remember the Capri rumours / renderings? I think this will be the 3 door. http://www.topspeed.com/cars/ford/2012-ford-capri-...Edit: I can see some good lease deals coming up. Convenient timing for me. That article's from 2010 - the coupe concept they showed was the Evos which just served to show off where the design trend was going for the next round of facelifts. Google 'Ford Evos' and '2013 Ford Fusion' to see what I mean. Same deal with the 'Ford Iosis Concept' and the 2006-2012 'kinetic design' style. They seem to have a "the new Capri" rumour every 5 years - I remember one in the paper from when I was about 10 years old.
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Chrisw666
20,791 posts
68 months
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Having driven a 125ps and a 150ps ecoboost version of the new focus I have high hopes that the ST will be a cracking steer, the lesser foci certainly don't feel heavy and the ecoboost is a very good motor. It still doesn't have the fizz that the MK1 focus had, but it feels more playful than the MK2 without losing any of the things that made both cars a great steer.
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otolith
19,343 posts
73 months
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More than 50% more expensive than the base model (on which Ford presumably make a profit), yeah, awesome value for money.
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iain1970
239 posts
31 months
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It's definitely good value at that kind of money.
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craigb84
766 posts
21 months
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Wattsie said: That article's from 2010 - the coupe concept they showed was the Evos which just served to show off where the design trend was going for the next round of facelifts. Google 'Ford Evos' and '2013 Ford Fusion' to see what I mean. Same deal with the 'Ford Iosis Concept' and the 2006-2012 'kinetic design' style.
They seem to have a "the new Capri" rumour every 5 years - I remember one in the paper from when I was about 10 years old. Yeah it was just the first article I came across but with no signs of a 3 door focus plus competition elsewhere from the scirocco, Astra Coupe, Megane Coupe etc I can't see how Ford can afford to miss out. Unless they'll go for a smaller hardcore Fiesta RS seen as this is the model currently being thrown about by the WRC boys??
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Chrisw666
20,791 posts
68 months
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otolith said: More than 50% more expensive than the base model (on which Ford presumably make a profit), yeah, awesome value for money. When you put it like that it is a bit expensive. Would be good if they sold a base spec car with the ST engine, brakes and suspension, nicer than standard seats and smaller wheels. They could even include basic push button AC and then offer you a choice of options.
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tridave
224 posts
72 months
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anything fast said: ezi said: anything fast said: FYI
this will not come in 3 doors!!
shame, they will lose quite a few buyers for it Quite (Although a Ford salesman tried telling me a 3door was in the works). As much as I like Ford's ST range, no 3-door option will put me right off the new Focus, although with the new Fiesta being such a large(ish) car, maybe people going from the old Focus will go into the new Fiesta if they desire 3door? I want to hear of a new Mondeo ST  The 3 door will be saved for the RS, But a new RS will be an RS by name but not like an RS we know.. its going to be hybrid.. jeezus h.. FORD WHAT ARE YOU DOING? if it does go in to production as a hyrid maybe they could call it an aRSe-Hrbrid! I think there will be no 3 door at all, there is nothing in the planning for a 3dr shell and if they did they would need to do it in all style to make the tooling pay back.
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Chrisw666
20,791 posts
68 months
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Why does the number of doors matter? If you want a really stiff shell you shouldn't be buying hot hatchbacks anyway.
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Greg 172
174 posts
70 months
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Wattsie said: Where'd you get that from? As far as I can find, the only electric Focus is a normal-looking model coming here later in the year  http://www.worldcarfans.com/110120229861/ford-squa...Word was that no 3-door is due because of poor demand - presumably that means no US demand, what with it being a global car and all. Even the Fiesta ST is meant to be 5-door only in the US  I remember reading somewhere that the 'traditional' 3 door C-segment hatches just don't really sell anymore (relatively speaking). That's why we're seeing Astra and Megane 3-door 'coupes', that are fairly different from the 5-door models. Presumably Ford will do a similar thing with the Evos/Capri/whatever. Is there a 3-door new Civic? 308? C4? (No, really. I don't actually know, but can;t think of seeing any)...
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Wattsie
1,133 posts
70 months
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Chrisw666 said: When you put it like that it is a bit expensive.
Would be good if they sold a base spec car with the ST engine, brakes and suspension, nicer than standard seats and smaller wheels. They could even include basic push button AC and then offer you a choice of options. I believe the development cost of those parts is what's being recouped in the pricing of the ST. Any part shared with the rest of the range will have already been developed and priced before the ST was given the green light, so the extra cost to Ford is in the development and testing of any part that deviates from the rest - that is, all of the bits which make the ST an ST.
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FrankyH
54 posts
12 months
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thewheelman said: I actually saw a MK3 Escort next to the lastest generation of Focus, the Escort looked tiny next to it. I'd say the current Fiesta is now similar size to the MK1 Focus. I'd say the current Fiesta is about the same size as a mk 4 Escort.
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otolith
19,343 posts
73 months
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I believe the odd perception people have of value for money is the reason for the pricing  I only point this out because I find it unfathomable that people will look at a relatively low volume (or even seriously low volume) sports car for little more than this car and whinge about the price, but offer them something which is substantially the same as a car Ford can flog for peanuts and they will just look at the headline power figure and ejaculate in their trousers. I actually have no problem with the pricing if Ford reckon they can get away with it, I'm just amused by people's reactions.
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Liquid Knight
10,495 posts
52 months
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250bhp front wheel drive estate....  ....I'm off to buy shares in a tyre company.
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Wattsie
1,133 posts
70 months
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Greg 172 said: I remember reading somewhere that the 'traditional' 3 door C-segment hatches just don't really sell anymore (relatively speaking). That's why we're seeing Astra and Megane 3-door 'coupes', that are fairly different from the 5-door models. Presumably Ford will do a similar thing with the Evos/Capri/whatever. Is there a 3-door new Civic? 308? C4? (No, really. I don't actually know, but can;t think of seeing any)... Exactly, so if coupes have more scope for success the further they are removed from the 5-door sibling, then it would make sense to have a separate model to serve a different market sector that does still show strength. http://www.worldcarfans.com/112050844112/2015-ford...A European Mustang would fit the bill perfectly. Dropping the Euro engines into a cheaper rival to the 3 Series, but a cut above the Astra/Megane/Scirocco could make alot of sense, assuming they can make the branding work. Ford has been working on shifting its image upmarket recently, so with 2 years of brand development before all this becomes relevant, perhaps they can make it a success.
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