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dr_gn
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Went to a lecture organised by the Royal Aeronautical Society last night on Bloodhound, presented by Richard Noble (we have the full scale mock up at work at the moment). Brilliant, inspirational talk, and a great presentation that covered not only some of the engineering challenges of the project, but some real eye opening (and worrying) statistics about engineering in the UK. Got my Thrust SSC book signed, and he also signed poster for my son. He seems a very nice bloke. I'll definitely be attempting to get my son's school involved - somehow. I'd highly reccommend anyone with even the slightest interest in engineering to attend one of his lectures. http://www.bloodhoundssc.com/
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hidetheelephants
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Nice to see the wheels being turned(see what I did there!) in Glasgow. Cracking stuff, shame there are no presentations north of the border; I'd like to see that.
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Eric Mc
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I went to a similar talk back in 1996 when he was promoting the Thrust SSC project. That was based in Farnborough so was a rather high profile effort in our area. Bloodhound seems to be attracting far less attention from the media.
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UnderTheRadar
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Yep go and see him, I did a couple of years ago when Bloodhound was just starting. A brilliant talk with his passion for boosting British engineering right at the front. He doesn't like F1 though  There were a few disparaging comments comparing what they were doing compared do F1. The one I recall was about their fuel pump was driven by a more powerful engine than an F1 car's. A bit apples and pears methinks - try and get Bloodhound to take a hairpin.
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dr_gn
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He was critical of the media, particularly the BBC and the daft programmes they consider to be genuinely 'engineering' based (crap like Top Gear).
Probably due the the high number of arts graduates in the media who assume everyone wants to watch reality TV and cooking programmes. According to Noble, this is absolutely not the case, and his research based on the Thrust websites shows that the general public in fact have a voracious appetite for technology and gadgets. Not sure how he arrived at this conclusion from a technology and gadget based website, but good luck to him anyway.
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Eric Mc
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Well said - absolutely agree with this.
I have felt for many years that the propenderance of arts graduates in the media has alienated the hands-on and technical disciplines. Indeed, the assumption that anyone with an engineering or technical approach or set of interests is somehow odd, or weird, or a nerd, or a geek has done untold damage to this country. And it stems from how people like that are portrayed or referred to in the media.
Maybe the tide is slowly turning - but only just before the ship runs onto the rocks.
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King Herald
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dr_gn said: ......According to Noble, this is absolutely not the case, and his research based on the Thrust websites shows that the general public in fact have a voracious appetite for technology and gadgets. Not sure how he arrived at this conclusion from a technology and gadget based website, but good luck to him anyway. Unfortunately the tv is all about profit, so they show whatever will attract the crowds of dross, the dregs and orts majority of the tv watching public. 'Any society that focuses on its lowest common denominator is a society that is doomed to be mired in mediocrity' And that is just what TV does. Even the non-mainstream auto type programs shown in the USA have to have all sorts of fancy camera work, zooming in quickly, shaking the camera around, weird effects, never staying focused on one subject for more than a second. Bloody annoying, but they seem to think it impresses the viewers..... I just wish they could run a straightforward program aimed at normal, intelligent, petrol-heads occasionally! Sorry for the rant. 
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Nick Grant
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King Herald said: I just wish they could run a straightforward program aimed at normal, intelligent, petrol-heads occasionally! Sorry for the rant.  Most people have access to a HD camera, even on thier phones, you could easily make your own programmes and upload them to You Tube etc if it riles you that much  If they're any good people will watch 
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Nick Grant
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Eric Mc
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Rather a disengenuos comment I have to say.
Wouldn't it be nice if the professional programme makers made a programme that catered for those who were interested in the technical aspects of motoring (or aviation or whatever).
There are the odd ones around. Alan de Cadenet's series on classic racing and sports cars was excellent.
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dr_gn
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Eric Mc said: Well said - absolutely agree with this.
I have felt for many years that the propenderance of arts graduates in the media has alienated the hands-on and technical disciplines. Indeed, the assumption that anyone with an engineering or technical approach or set of interests is somehow odd, or weird, or a nerd, or a geek has done untold damage to this country. And it stems from how people like that are portrayed or referred to in the media.
Maybe the tide is slowly turning - but only just before the ship runs onto the rocks. Among other things he showed a graph of - IIRC number of US engineering PhD's from 1900 to 2012. There is a significant peak at the begining af the space programme, then a dip. It was enough to put America at the forefront of technology for many years after. Same over here; the example he gave was kids looking up and seeing amazing aircraft like the Vulcan, Lightning and Concorde, and wanting to become engineers or pilots. His Bloodhound project is aimed at enthusing the younger generation ina similar way. He talks a great talk, but I have my doubts about whether a niche project like this can really have a significant effect. I will support it the best I can and hope for the best. I also hope he can maintain interest when the current project is over. FWIW I think we need more high profile engineering projects with a bit of human risk. Whether they are required in practical terms is doubtful, and no practicality probably means no real investment. I've been out and about with work a bit this week (Rolls-Royce, Airbus), and I can assure you that there is a hell of a lot of engineering excellence in the country. Sometimes we don't shout about it, sometimes we can't, but either way it's there. The media could definitely help more by projecting a POSITIVE message about engineering, and by doing so it could genuinely help the country out of the crap hole we're currently in.
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Nick Grant
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Eric Mc said: Rather a disengenuos comment I have to say. I can assure you I was quite sincere. I intend to make a film about a trip I have coming up, it may be rubbish and no one watches it but so be it, if it is good then it will get watched. We all have the power these days to create media content so we can do something about it rather than moaning. If you don't feel comfortable making the programme but have an idea you have the power of PH at your fingertips, I'm sure there are plenty of people who whould have a go at making an online show.
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Eric Mc
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Nick Grant said: Eric Mc said: Rather a disengenuos comment I have to say. I can assure you I was quite sincere. I intend to make a film about a trip I have coming up, it may be rubbish and no one watches it but so be it, if it is good then it will get watched. We all have the power these days to create media content so we can do something about it rather than moaning. If you don't feel comfortable making the programme but have an idea you have the power of PH at your fingertips, I'm sure there are plenty of people who whould have a go at making an online show. By all means have a go - and post a link when it's done so we can all see it. I am tired of the mainstream media more or less abandoning engineering and science. Having said that, I think matters have got better in the last two or three years. Even if Top Gear is essentially a load of old nonsense, James May in his own programmes outside of Top Gear has done his bit to make technology cool and interesting again. We need some "heroes" or "champions" in the media to start promoting science and technology properly. The ironic thing is that there are plenty of people in the media who are genuinely interested in such matters ( Chris Evans, Jonathan Ross, John Culshaw etc) and some of them are now beginning to creep out into the open and allow the world to see that they are actually enthusiastic about such matters. For far too long they were afraid to reveal their other "nerdy" interests for fear of being ridiculed. As I said, the tide is turning - but maybe not fast enough.
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hidetheelephants
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dr_gn said: Same over here; the example he gave was kids looking up and seeing amazing aircraft like the Vulcan, Lightning and Concorde, and wanting to become engineers or pilots. His Bloodhound project is aimed at enthusing the younger generation ina similar way. That presumably ceased(as far as aviation is concerned anyway) when TSR2 was scrapped and hundreds of engineers and technicians the country could ill afford to lose buggered off to the US. Wilson's 'White heat of technology' clearly didn't apply to anything that departed terra firma.
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King Herald
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Nick Grant said: Most people have access to a HD camera, even on thier phones, you could easily make your own programmes and upload them to You Tube etc if it riles you that much  If they're any good people will watch  I just want to relax and watch something interesting on tv after work, not start a cottage f  kin' industry making automobile movies. 
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Eric Mc
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There's a bit more to making a watchable piece of film than pointing a phone camera at something and pressing "record".
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UnderTheRadar
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I agree it is a niche project but Richard Noble's aim was to get schools engaged in it to get children engaged in engineering. I hope it's working.
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dr_gn
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hidetheelephants said: dr_gn said: Same over here; the example he gave was kids looking up and seeing amazing aircraft like the Vulcan, Lightning and Concorde, and wanting to become engineers or pilots. His Bloodhound project is aimed at enthusing the younger generation ina similar way. That presumably ceased(as far as aviation is concerned anyway) when TSR2 was scrapped and hundreds of engineers and technicians the country could ill afford to lose buggered off to the US. Wilson's 'White heat of technology' clearly didn't apply to anything that departed terra firma. All I know is that there is a massive shortage of engineers. R.N. gave yet another statistic, which was that one major UK engineering company had an 80:1 ratio for recruiting design engineers. That means that they had to interview 80 candidates to fill one position. For someone about to attempt to recruit 30 design engineers, this figure scared me, but having experienced engineering graduate cv's recently I'm not surprised: some can't consistently spell their own names correctly believe it or not*. - by writing this, forum rules dictate that someone must find a spelling mistake in this post...
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dr_gn
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UnderTheRadar said: I agree it is a niche project but Richard Noble's aim was to get schools engaged in it to get children engaged in engineering. I hope it's working. He said it was working. I hope it's working too.
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hidetheelephants
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dr_gn said: All I know is that there is a massive shortage of engineers. R.N. gave yet another statistic, which was that one major UK engineering company had an 80:1 ratio for recruiting design engineers. That means that they had to interview 80 candidates to fill one position. For someone about to attempt to recruit 30 design engineers, this figure scared me, but having experienced engineering graduate cv's recently I'm not surprised: some can't consistently spell their own names correctly believe it or not*. - by writing this, forum rules dictate that someone must find a spelling mistake in this post...
Having expended a lot of time filling application forms and submitting CVs to most of the major UK engineering firms and mostly not getting so much as a 'thanks but no thanks' for my effort in applying for what was at best a mediocre grad wage, I'm guessing a lot of my peers thought 'sod that, I can earn more in the city'. Distance lends objectivity, and I recognise that I wasn't the greatest engineer to ever win a degree certificate but some of my peers were and are very talented and motivated; few of them are now working in engineering, fewer still as engineers. RN's revelation suggests more that: They are being too picky about only accepting oxbridge/firsts/random HR peccadillo at the first sift. They aren't offering enough money and/or promotion prospects. They are perceived as a bad employer. The first 2 are easy to do something about, the third requires more consideration.
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