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matchmaker
3,386 posts
70 months
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essayer said: Jasandjules said: Well, we will see if he is convicted first. Or even charged, in fairness. But it does seem like the knives are well and truly out for him .. He hasn't even been arrested!
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Steffan
6,220 posts
98 months
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Liszt said: Steffan said: One of the defining moments in the Prime Ministers political life was the appointment of this scumbag to head his office.
Cameron has crap judgement of people, surrounding himself with the likes of Jeremy Hunt (bent) Liam Fox (bent) George Osbourne ( Bent and useless) Rebekkah Wade (Bent) and the grandaddy amongst them Andy Coulson (Bent and overlayered with Bent with a bit of bent added on).
Or possibly Cameron chooses colleagues that match his own tendencies. Bent. As opposed to campbell, Mandelson and Brown/Darling? Sadly I think Alistair Campbell would make an excellent cell mate for Coulson. Darling, Brown, Mandelson ,Campbell, and all the spin merchants, including Blair, who was the real promoter of this kind of institutional dishonesty and indeed David Cameron and his cohorts are as bad as each other.They could ALL sleep comfortably in a corkscrew. They are ALL tarred with the same brush. Not an honest man amongst them. Including Mr Coulson. Clever, charming, smarmy, oily, unprincipled (save serving themselves, first) to the core. Good looking, well spoken, articulate, quick thinking, intelligent, educated and driven by self serving ambition. Utterly facile. That is the definition of modern politicians. Hence the mess our country is in. Then there is the awful prospect of ED Ballsup and Yvette Snooper. Too depressing to even contemplate.
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Jasandjules
45,852 posts
99 months
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matchmaker said: He hasn't even been arrested! I would say (famous last words!) that the police don't usually go round unless they have something reasonably solid........
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Steffan
6,220 posts
98 months
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Jasandjules said: matchmaker said: He hasn't even been arrested! I would say (famous last words!) that the police don't usually go round unless they have something reasonably solid........ I do agree. But then you get the cases like Chris Jefferies case in Bristol (Paula Yates Case) wrongly arrested for Murder. He was pilloried by the press, ruined by the press, found to be totally innocent of any involvement whatsoever, and major compensation was, quite properly, paid to him. When the Police get rattled in high profile cases, they can and very occasionally do jump the gun. With catastrophic results for the individual, wrongly accused and the senior police concerned, who usually leave shortly after. I doubt if that is the case here. But as you will know, there is a presumption of innocence. Given the extent of the dishonesty and perjury and the number of serious major crime ongoing investigations, in which Andy Coulson was a major and central player, I do think it very, very, very, unlikely. Indeed laughably unlikely. But, he might?
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Derek Smith
16,220 posts
118 months
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Steffan said: Jasandjules said: matchmaker said: He hasn't even been arrested! I would say (famous last words!) that the police don't usually go round unless they have something reasonably solid........ I do agree. But then you get the cases like Chris Jefferies case in Bristol (Paula Yates Case) wrongly arrested for Murder. He was pilloried by the press, ruined by the press, found to be totally innocent of any involvement whatsoever, and major compensation was, quite properly, paid to him. When the Police get rattled in high profile cases, they can and very occasionally do jump the gun. With catastrophic results for the individual, wrongly accused and the senior police concerned, who usually leave shortly after. I doubt if that is the case here. But as you will know, there is a presumption of innocence. Given the extent of the dishonesty and perjury and the number of serious major crime ongoing investigations, in which Andy Coulson was a major and central player, I do think it very, very, very, unlikely. Indeed laughably unlikely. But, he might? There is a requirement to arrest in many cases. Indeed, the Scottish definition of detained for questioning is only a change of name. England/Wales would have said arrested. In many cases an arrest ensures fair play to the suspect. The police do not accuse by arresting. The offender here is the media. Oh, and given some of the comments on this forum, forums as well. High profile suspects are treated very carefully indeed, more so than scrotes. There would probably have been inolvement of senior officers before this 'detention'.
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B Huey
4,881 posts
69 months
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matchmaker said: He hasn't even been arrested! No, they drove him all the way to Glasgow for a quick chat.
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Steffan
6,220 posts
98 months
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B Huey said: No, they drove him all the way to Glasgow for a quick chat. The distinction seems a technicality to me. He had no choice nut to accompany the officers. That is, a think effectively an arrest. Once your free will is gone, on such a situation, then you are in fact, in custody IMO.
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ninja-lewis
1,920 posts
60 months
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Steffan said: B Huey said: No, they drove him all the way to Glasgow for a quick chat. The distinction seems a technicality to me. He had no choice nut to accompany the officers. That is, a think effectively an arrest. Once your free will is gone, on such a situation, then you are in fact, in custody IMO. Matchmaker was actually highlighting the subtle difference in Scots Law between detention and arrest. A suspect can be detained where the police have reasonable suspicion that they have committed a crime and like to investigate further by questioning. Whereas arrest is generally only used when there is reasonable (until recently, corroborated) evidence for criminal proceedings to commence - i.e. on the verge of charging the suspect. Until Cadder, if you were detained you didn't have a right to see a solicitor whereas after arrest you did. http://www.scotland.gov.uk/About/CarlowayReview/CR...
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essayer
Original Poster
1,606 posts
64 months
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frosted
3,549 posts
47 months
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Really hope he does a bit of time and spills the beans on everybody
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ninja-lewis
1,920 posts
60 months
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Now he has been arrested and a report submitted to Procurator Fiscal.
Looks like he might get Sheridan's old cell!
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Mojocvh
12,905 posts
132 months
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Seems our not so closet tories are absent in their droves 
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Jasandjules
45,852 posts
99 months
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essayer said: Well, that's a real shame....... No really....
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rohrl
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15 months
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Jimboka
2,762 posts
74 months
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Great, another court case to bore us to death (in the Levinson style) 24/7 on every news channel....
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TTmonkey
7,403 posts
117 months
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That was a quick charge. Has he contradicted contradicted himself under oath? Said at Sheridan trial that he has no knowledge of phone tapping, but said he did know about it at Levinson? Is it that simple?
Sorry if this has already become obvious, not been following it to closely....
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frosted
3,549 posts
47 months
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Jimboka said: Great, another court case to bore us to death (in the Levinson style) 24/7 on every news channel.... I'm not bored, far from that actually
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scenario8
2,854 posts
49 months
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Andy Coulson's life has changed quite dramatically in the last 24 months, hasn't it? The Courts really don't like perjury so he'll be looking at decent time inside if found guilty.
I can understand why a good majority of the people are "bored with" and don't understand the fuss and monies spent on Leveson and Operations Weeting and Elvedon but for me if it helps bring about a more open, truthful and honest media and clarifies relationships between the media and the body politic all the better. If they could also help lift general journalistic and editorial standards I'd be very happy - but immensely surprised. Sadly the public seem to want the standards of truthfulness, honesty, balance and integrity they hoover up delightfully every day in the Mail, The Mirror and the Express et al.
If being an awful, vindictive editor were a crime I'd personally like to see someone take on Andrew Pierce.
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New POD
2,119 posts
20 months
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Just HOW hard is it to tell the truth in court ?
So there I am (Witness for the Prosecution), having explained how my mate left the road and ran over an old guy who later died.
I'm asked how fast he was travelling "40 mph or there abouts" (in a 60)
I'm asked how I know this "Because I got my motorbike out and rode around that bend at different speeds between 20 mph and 50 mph, and I'm sure that he was travelling at 40 mph or there abouts"
I'm asked if the defendant is my freind "He is"
I'm asked if I'm lying to help him out "I've just sworn in the bible to tell the whole truth, and if I lie and are ever found out I could go to prison, so it's not likely that I'm going to do that for anyone, even my own mother, or my fiancee, and I wouldn't expect anyone of them to that for me"
Prosecution decides their star witness is not worth asking any more questions to.
I'd like to think that anyone who lies under oath will get at least 6 months, even if the original offence was a parking ticket, to 40 years if they provide a fake alibi for a murder.
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Derek Smith
16,220 posts
118 months
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New POD said: Just HOW hard is it to tell the truth in court ? You are allowed to be mistaken. You are allowed to have a faulty memory. All you have to say is what you believe to be the truth. The one thing you should not depend on is eye-witness evidence. What CCTV has shown is just how poor people are when it comes to observing an incident. The more certain a person is, the more likely they are to be contradicted by CCTV. Oddly enough, some people are so certain that even when you confront them with the evidence they still stick with what they think happened. I used to work in a control room where my every word was recorded. When I've been i/c major incidents, or even minor ones that went badly or well I used to pull a tape and then listen to it when things were quiet at work or in the car to and from. Alwyas, but always, on any fairly long incident I'd hear me say something that I would have sworn I hadn't said. Memory is partial.
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