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Walter Sobchak
Original Poster
3,123 posts
93 months
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I once told myself I wouldn't have another TVR after my Tuscan, it wasn't that it broke and cost loads to fix but it had irritating niggles that caused the car to break down and ruined my trust in it, when it worked don't get me wrong it was a great car, but the E55 AMG I replaced it with, while it may not have the drama it does have the performance and I know that it would get me where I wanted to go. For this reason I had been considering an upgrade to a 997 Turbo, it's stupidly quick, very reliable and their residuals are pretty high but I still have this nagging feeling in the back of my mind, like I don't know wether I would be happy with it or not. I do love the Sagaris though, just wondered if their tempremental ness would be less than a Mk1 Tuscan?, also performance wise in the real world would it be up there with a 997 or not?.
The other thing that made me consider one is(and I might be wrong) is they seem to be increasing in value, is this trend likely to carry on?, would I find it hard to sell in a couple of years time for similar money?, that is a huge plus it has over the 997.
Any advice would be welcome, would rather hear from some Sagaris owners, and the genuine merits of each car rather than the tribal TVR vs Porsche thing, both are great marques, both have their plusses and minuses to me anyway.
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Don1
8,965 posts
77 months
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This one has been covered a few times, but I know the search function is knackered. You'll also get a very biast response from either section.
I currently run a 996TT and a modified Sagaris, so can 'kind' of answer.... (I have also driven a few 997TTs).
The Sag is ALWAYS more of an event. 'White Van Man' actually will hold up traffic and allow you out, rather than ignore the w@nker in the Porker. The Sag feels alive, alert, organic and just utterly wonderful. I would say that a standard Sag is only sportscar fast - you need to modify it to make it supercar quick.
The 911 is brilliant. Hypercar fast over A-B reads, when 'just' a supercar. It does it day in, day out, in all weathers. They are amazing. But they just don't have the 'soul' the Sagaris does.
Personally, the Sagaris wins every time. They are increasing in value, and you will never loose money on them. The only time it will lose, is on a 10/10ths road attack. But how many cars will actually live with a well-driven 997TT at full chat? Not that many...
What-ever you choose, enjoy.
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GTRene
7,760 posts
93 months
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maybe he needs a Sagaris with a mild tuned LS3 engine 
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Dave_M
5,072 posts
93 months
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Druid
969 posts
50 months
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The good Sags are all owned so get the Pork! 
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7 TVR
1,893 posts
37 months
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Don1 said: This one has been covered a few times, but I know the search function is knackered. You'll also get a very biast response from either section.
I currently run a 996TT and a modified Sagaris, so can 'kind' of answer.... (I have also driven a few 997TTs).
The Sag is ALWAYS more of an event. 'White Van Man' actually will hold up traffic and allow you out, rather than ignore the w@nker in the Porker. The Sag feels alive, alert, organic and just utterly wonderful. I would say that a standard Sag is only sportscar fast - you need to modify it to make it supercar quick.
The 911 is brilliant. Hypercar fast over A-B reads, when 'just' a supercar. It does it day in, day out, in all weathers. They are amazing. But they just don't have the 'soul' the Sagaris does.
Personally, the Sagaris wins every time. They are increasing in value, and you will never loose money on them. The only time it will lose, is on a 10/10ths road attack. But how many cars will actually live with a well-driven 997TT at full chat? Not that many...
What-ever you choose, enjoy. Very good unbiased answer Don and i totally agree! Kind of comes down to how much of an occasion you want!
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Walter Sobchak
Original Poster
3,123 posts
93 months
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Don1 said: This one has been covered a few times, but I know the search function is knackered. You'll also get a very biast response from either section.
I currently run a 996TT and a modified Sagaris, so can 'kind' of answer.... (I have also driven a few 997TTs).
The Sag is ALWAYS more of an event. 'White Van Man' actually will hold up traffic and allow you out, rather than ignore the w@nker in the Porker. The Sag feels alive, alert, organic and just utterly wonderful. I would say that a standard Sag is only sportscar fast - you need to modify it to make it supercar quick.
The 911 is brilliant. Hypercar fast over A-B reads, when 'just' a supercar. It does it day in, day out, in all weathers. They are amazing. But they just don't have the 'soul' the Sagaris does.
Personally, the Sagaris wins every time. They are increasing in value, and you will never loose money on them. The only time it will lose, is on a 10/10ths road attack. But how many cars will actually live with a well-driven 997TT at full chat? Not that many...
What-ever you choose, enjoy. Thanks for this, I know what you mean about people being more appreciative of a TVR, they are a far rarer and dramatic sight on the roads than a 911. Something that really appeals about the Sagaris to me is its bonkers looks, the noise etc, I can't help but think though as an actual car to drive I would like a 997 more but to look at and appreciate it would be the Sagaris, very early stages deciding so won't rush and will pick whichever one I get on with best, would be a manual if I got a 997 though, none of this Tiptronic stuff.
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natben
2,120 posts
100 months
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GTRene said: maybe he needs a Sagaris with a mild tuned LS3 engine But then it stops being a Sagaris!! If it needs more power 4.3L or 4.5L would be the way to go or one of the FFF engines from Racing Green.
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GTRene
7,760 posts
93 months
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Don1
8,965 posts
77 months
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Rene....  Also at the end of the rainbow, there is a leprechaun guarding a pot of gold! Walter - yes, if you are looking to use it as a daily driver, the 997 is for you. The Sag I can barely drive wearing a suit to work - it really is a thing for a very special occasion (even if that is an hours drive to get a pint of milk!). It is also a sportscar - the 997 can do a passable impression of a GT if needed. The Sag is a ball ache to drive more than a few hours...
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MPoxon
2,890 posts
42 months
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Don1 said: This one has been covered a few times, but I know the search function is knackered. You'll also get a very biast response from either section.
I currently run a 996TT and a modified Sagaris, so can 'kind' of answer.... (I have also driven a few 997TTs).
The Sag is ALWAYS more of an event. 'White Van Man' actually will hold up traffic and allow you out, rather than ignore the w@nker in the Porker. The Sag feels alive, alert, organic and just utterly wonderful. I would say that a standard Sag is only sportscar fast - you need to modify it to make it supercar quick.
The 911 is brilliant. Hypercar fast over A-B reads, when 'just' a supercar. It does it day in, day out, in all weathers. They are amazing. But they just don't have the 'soul' the Sagaris does.
Personally, the Sagaris wins every time. They are increasing in value, and you will never loose money on them. The only time it will lose, is on a 10/10ths road attack. But how many cars will actually live with a well-driven 997TT at full chat? Not that many...
What-ever you choose, enjoy. A refreshing sensible and unbiased post, well done sir 
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7 TVR
1,893 posts
37 months
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natben said: But then it stops being a Sagaris!!
If it needs more power 4.3L or 4.5L would be the way to go or one of the FFF engines from Racing Green.
So P blacks LS7 car is not a Sagaris then?? Could of fooled me, looks like one just goes allot f  king quicker with less chance of needing an engine re-build! But heh i guess that can be seen as a drawback 
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Stevie Mojo
1,434 posts
106 months
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.... and probably sounds like the Bullet Mustang too.
What could be better than that?
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RedSpike66
1,965 posts
81 months
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7 TVR said: natben said: But then it stops being a Sagaris!!
If it needs more power 4.3L or 4.5L would be the way to go or one of the FFF engines from Racing Green.
So P blacks LS7 car is not a Sagaris then?? Could of fooled me, looks like one just goes allot f king quicker with less chance of needing an engine re-build! But heh i guess that can be seen as a drawback Of course it's a Sagaris, but with completely different running gear to a factory car (engine, gearbox, clutch, diff, driveshafts at least iirc), so it's a TC Sagaris rather than a TVR Sagaris. Not knocking it - it's a fantastic car, just like your TC Griff
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7 TVR
1,893 posts
37 months
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RedSpike66 said: Of course it's a Sagaris, but with completely different running gear to a factory car (engine, gearbox, clutch, diff, driveshafts at least iirc), so it's a TC Sagaris rather than a TVR Sagaris. Not knocking it - it's a fantastic car, just like your TC Griff We should get A holden to change the title of his britcar post then as thats a Tuscan chassis with a Sag body and a Ls lump and for that matter Perry Tuscan on the front of sprint must not be a Tuscan anymore as that has an LS!! Ls or like power is the way TVR was going to have to go if they carried on due to emmisions reg etc so just find the whole its not got a speed six argument a bit long in the tooth! Don't get me wrong i love my 350c and would not change it for the world, just don't think a TVR is not a TVR because its had an engine transplant, and judging by the amount of Ls conversions going on i'm not on my own! Hope to see you at Brands tommorow
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Walter Sobchak
Original Poster
3,123 posts
93 months
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I quite like the idea of an incredibly powerful V8 in a Sagaris personally, would probably be too costly for me to do but what engine is in the one mentioned?.
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V8 GRF
5,790 posts
79 months
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Walter Sobchak said: I quite like the idea of an incredibly powerful V8 in a Sagaris personally, would probably be too costly for me to do but what engine is in the one mentioned?. It's an LS7 and it's awesome. He took me for a few laps round Oulton Park not long after he got the car and he never took it out of third such is it's power and torque. See some info here: http://www.topcatsracing.com/category/service-news...ETA PH Thread HERE
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7 TVR
1,893 posts
37 months
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Walter Sobchak said: I quite like the idea of an incredibly powerful V8 in a Sagaris personally, would probably be too costly for me to do but what engine is in the one mentioned?. Pauls is a LS7 with all the extras and i believe over 560bhp and somewhere around 500fp of Torque! Yes lots of money but will destroy most supercars as can be seen if you go on to Utube and put in LS7 Sag! I have gone round Oulton in the car so speak from experience! Just noticed you beat me to it and with a link
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Walter Sobchak
Original Poster
3,123 posts
93 months
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Wow, that looks like a serious bit of kit!!, I have no doubt that would make many a more expensive and powerful car look rather stupid, all with that solid American V8 build quality too, I don't really see whats not to like about that, yes it's not an S6 but that isn't a bad thing, I bet it has traction issues though.
I wonder if it would be possible to fit the V10 TT from an RS6 in one, I would guess not, space and heat soak from fibreglass and turbos would be the main issues.
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natben
2,120 posts
100 months
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7 TVR said: natben said: But then it stops being a Sagaris!!
If it needs more power 4.3L or 4.5L would be the way to go or one of the FFF engines from Racing Green.
So P blacks LS7 car is not a Sagaris then?? Could of fooled me, looks like one just goes allot f king quicker with less chance of needing an engine re-build! But heh i guess that can be seen as a drawback I didn't mention P Blacks Sagaris did I....... I aint critisising P Blacks Sagaris,I believe it to be AWESOME but as good as it is, I like the originality, thats just me. So did P Blacks SP6 have a rebuild .....NO he changed for more power, so put your crystal ball away!!! and remember it isn't just the engine that requires changing it is the full running gear also, diff,gearbox driveshafts,propshaft, brakes, engine management, chassis mods sometimes,aerodynamics in some cases also etc etc. It has cost a small fortune and for those who are prepared to spend huge amounts to do it right (2/3 times the cost of a 4.5L) like he has, I bet they are delighted and at the end of the day that is what counts not what I or anyone else thinks.
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