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trackdemon

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Not seen story on Beeb or Planet F1 yet, guess they're waiting to confirm authenticity....

http://thef1times.com/news/display/06144

GadgeS3C

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According to http://www.formula1.com/news/technical/2012/869/96... none of the teams mentioned actually protested the issue.

Mojocvh

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Like W.T.F!

Gold

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I don't want to bring out the tin-foil hats too much but if McLaren had won a race with an illegal car what would the punishment be?


Crafty_

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The car was deemed legal at the time of the last race.

The teams did not protest the car during the allotted time period following the race (2 hours I believe), however they did seek clarification on the floor from the FIA.

FIA have now deemed the floor illegal from this point onward, all previous results stand.

FIA have a history of this (renault mass damper and ferrari barge boards for example).

Just means that RB have to get the jigsaw out and cut the hole out to meet the edge of the floor, then it matches the Sauber/Ferrari floor which AFAIK is still deemed legal at this time.

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trackdemon

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Story not running anywhere else, I'm going to call BS on it....

RYH64E

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trackdemon said:
Story not running anywhere else, I'm going to call BS on it....
http://www.planetf1.com/news/3213/7791932/-FIA-Declare-Red-Bull-RB8-s-Floor-Illegal-

PW

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GadgeS3C said:
According to http://www.formula1.com/news/technical/2012/869/96... none of the teams mentioned actually protested the issue.
They did not lodge an official protest of the race result - that isn't the same thing as "protesting" in general that the hole is not legal.

I think possibly that the other teams recognise that the performance gain was so slight that it wasn't an unfair advantage, and didn't want to have a big controversy clouding the jewel in F1's crown.

By the letter of the law, though, they don't think such a hole is allowed, an argument that has apparently prevailed.

Gold said:
I don't want to bring out the tin-foil hats too much but if McLaren had won a race with an illegal car what would the punishment be?
Red Bull won a race with a legal car, because it passed scrutineering. So that is more a sensationalist thing to argue.

Potentially, if there had been an official protest of the Monaco result, and the stewards agreed that the hole was outside the rules, they would have been disqualified - the same as any team whose cars were found to be illegal - I think Sauber in Australia 2011 was the last time it happened.


Gaz.

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trackdemon said:
Story not running anywhere else, I'm going to call BS on it....
The F1technical boys didn't even question the authenticity of the story:

http://www.f1technical.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1...

MissChief

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And so it should. Foul tasting over priced rubbish that has vague 'anti-establishment' tones. Oh wait.....

Gaz.

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MissChief said:
And so it should. Foul tasting over priced rubbish that has vague 'anti-establishment' tones. Oh wait.....
Mixes well with two shots of vodka though... paperbag

Jasper3.0

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/18310767

It's on the BBC now, so it 'must be true'.

DynoDad

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I'd guess that a deal was done at Monaco along the lines of "if you don't protest & arse up the race results (always embarrassing when that happens) we'll ban it for Canada" which was why none of the teams actually protested last week. A sensible way to handle it? Or a stitch up that's more about F1's reputation (i.e. the sponsors) than the sport?

Life Saab Itch

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It was an agreement between the teams that they would not protest the result, but would ask the FIA to look into it after the required period had elapsed to protest the result.

Alfanatic

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Gold said:
I don't want to bring out the tin-foil hats too much but if McLaren had won a race with an illegal car what would the punishment be?
Mosley has gone so I wouldn't expect special treatment for McLaren anymore.

trackdemon

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Well, well, well: I guess I was a bit too hasty & the F1times boys were ahead of the game. I can't help be curious about the FIA & other teams response though: essentially, we've got a statement declaring that RB won with an illegal car in the last race - which surely should invalidate the race results????

I really like Webber & it would be shame to lose the race win, but that's what should happen: if the car is deemed illegal, its illegal. End of story. Result cannot stand. At the risk of sounding sensationalist I wonder what the outcome would be had it been Hamilton/McLaren in the Mosely era....

williamp

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trackdemon said:
Well, well, well: I guess I was a bit too hasty & the F1times boys were ahead of the game. I can't help be curious about the FIA & other teams response though: essentially, we've got a statement declaring that RB won with an illegal car in the last race - which surely should invalidate the race results????

I really like Webber & it would be shame to lose the race win, but that's what should happen: if the car is deemed illegal, its illegal. End of story. Result cannot stand. At the risk of sounding sensationalist I wonder what the outcome would be had it been Hamilton/McLaren in the Mosely era....
Yes but cars have won with illegal cars whose results have stood: Kimi Ferrari in Australia, for example. Its floor was deemed illegal, yet the results stayed. I cannot think of any incident of results being declared void if the car is judged to be illegal after the event.

RYH64E

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trackdemon said:
Well, well, well: I guess I was a bit too hasty & the F1times boys were ahead of the game. I can't help be curious about the FIA & other teams response though: essentially, we've got a statement declaring that RB won with an illegal car in the last race - which surely should invalidate the race results????

I really like Webber & it would be shame to lose the race win, but that's what should happen: if the car is deemed illegal, its illegal. End of story. Result cannot stand. At the risk of sounding sensationalist I wonder what the outcome would be had it been Hamilton/McLaren in the Mosely era....
Have you read any of the previous posts?

HustleRussell

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They 'got away with it'- for a car to be excluded from the results, it must be illegal but also it must be disputed within the allotted timeframe after the race.

Life Saab Itch

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williamp said:
Yes but cars have won with illegal cars whose results have stood: Kimi Ferrari in Australia, for example. Its floor was deemed illegal, yet the results stayed. I cannot think of any incident of results being declared void if the car is judged to be illegal after the event.
Brazil '81 iirc.

Wasn't Piquet disqualified from the win and someone else from second place (reuteman?)
Possibly for the "water cooled brakes".
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