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Prof Prolapse
7,398 posts
59 months
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creampuff said: Experienced riders don't like to commute on little scooters, because they lack the optional intercom and MP3 player of their Pan European, which lets them listen to Barry Manilow while negotiating London traffic. That did make me chortle.
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shadylee
491 posts
79 months
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jhoneyball said: Well, my F800ST BMW is the same width across the sports panniers as it is across the mirrors. Which kindof kills the point of the OP. Mirrors fold in,or go over cars mirrors....panniers don't.
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Yazza54
9,400 posts
50 months
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What the fudge are those can am gaymobiles about? Gashtastic
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Dr Doofenshmirtz
6,904 posts
69 months
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I've followed some bikers with wide panniers and spent most of the time thinking '  feck 'me that was close! [i.e. close to the vehicles they were filtering past]. But I have also been held up more than once to it kinda balances out I guess.
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Hooli
21,186 posts
69 months
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shadylee said: jhoneyball said: Well, my F800ST BMW is the same width across the sports panniers as it is across the mirrors. Which kindof kills the point of the OP. Mirrors fold in,or go over cars mirrors....panniers don't. Panniers being at the rear are a pain when turning too as they project a lot further inside the turn. They can be a right pain in the arse when your trying to change filtering 'lanes' to turn right or similar.
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RizzoTheRat
8,062 posts
61 months
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What do commuters carry that means they need a pair of 50 litre panniers on thier bike? I've got a pair of Givi E21's that make the back of the bike about the same width as the handlebars or my knees, and take everything I need to carry.
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Hooli
21,186 posts
69 months
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RizzoTheRat said: What do commuters carry that means they need a pair of 50 litre panniers on thier bike? I've got a pair of Givi E21's that make the back of the bike about the same width as the handlebars or my knees, and take everything I need to carry. Maybe they are stupid like me & thought E41s would be a lot smaller than they turned out to be? I'd have probably got E21s if I'd been able physically see the size before buying.
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creampuff
1,220 posts
12 months
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Dr Doofenshmirtz said: I've followed some bikers with wide panniers and spent most of the time thinking ' feck 'me that was close! [i.e. close to the vehicles they were filtering past]. But I have also been held up more than once to it kinda balances out I guess. Pan European + 1/4 inch gap either side = no problem. Give me the Honda 125cc of a pizza delivery boy (minus the pizza box) and I'll be in the office before I even leave home.
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CBR JGWRR
5,074 posts
18 months
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creampuff said: Pan European + 1/4 inch gap either side = no problem.
Give me the Honda 125cc of a pizza delivery boy (minus the pizza box) and I'll be in the office before I even leave home. Plus 1. And the near suicidal ability...
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sc0tt
7,419 posts
70 months
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creampuff said: Pan European + 1/4 inch gap either side = no problem.
Give me the Honda 125cc of a pizza delivery boy (minus the pizza box) and I'll be in the office before I even leave home. I kept up with a GSXR 750 from angel to limehouse t'other day. I'm the man 
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Mr2Mike
9,434 posts
124 months
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sc0tt said:
Little scooters with no panniers ridden by experienced riders filter far better and far faster than big bikes with panniers ridden by chumps.
Perhaps only scooter riders are stupid enough to think that filtering "fast" is a great idea?
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sc0tt
7,419 posts
70 months
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Mr2Mike said: Perhaps only scooter riders are stupid enough to think that filtering "fast" is a great idea? It was a retort to cream puff. Who said the opposite.
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creampuff
1,220 posts
12 months
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Fast as in overall distance travelled in overall time taken, not fast as in fast past the cars. The superior filterer continues progress while the pizza delivery boys jam themselves up among Routemasters and Boris bikes. 
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Wedg1e
22,688 posts
134 months
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jhoneyball said: Well, my F800ST BMW is the same width across the sports panniers as it is across the mirrors. Which kindof kills the point of the OP. The mirrors on my Pan Euro are a fair bit wider than the panniers. I have been held up when filtering by sports bikes before. I have also clipped things with my mirrors before but, unlike sports bikes with their mirrors on lanky alloy stalks, my mirror pods are plastic and simply unclip themselves, creating another two inches of clearance and dangling on their straps until I can clip them back on again.
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creampuff
1,220 posts
12 months
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Wedg1e said: The mirrors on my Pan Euro are a fair bit wider than the panniers. I have been held up when filtering by sports bikes before. I have also clipped things with my mirrors before but, unlike sports bikes with their mirrors on lanky alloy stalks, my mirror pods are plastic and simply unclip themselves, creating another two inches of clearance and dangling on their straps until I can clip them back on again. Mmm, same bike, but when the clearance gets really small, I duck paddle the bike so as yet I've never clipped anything on the Pan. The problem with the Pan, I find, is that compared with smaller bikes with the usual mirrors on stalks you can lean the bike while duck paddling to create extra clearance on one side as required, but the Pan is a wide bike overall and heavy, so I have less success doing this. Often this can be the difference between making it to the head of the queue and being stuck a few cars back. OTOH when filtering moving traffic, Pan European + white helmet + high viz jacket makes me look like a copper to a lot of motorists, so gaps create themselves anyway.
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sc0tt
7,419 posts
70 months
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creampuff said: OTOH when filtering moving traffic, Pan European + white helmet + high viz jacket makes me look like a copper to a lot of motorists, so gaps create themselves anyway. I knew it
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3doorPete
6,843 posts
103 months
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creampuff said: Dr Doofenshmirtz said: I've followed some bikers with wide panniers and spent most of the time thinking ' feck 'me that was close! [i.e. close to the vehicles they were filtering past]. But I have also been held up more than once to it kinda balances out I guess. Pan European + 1/4 inch gap either side = no problem. Give me the Honda 125cc of a pizza delivery boy (minus the pizza box) and I'll be in the office before I even leave home. That's what I commute on. Superb turning circle also mean you never get stuck as you can do 90 degree left or rights between cars bumpers to find better gaps. When the traffic snarls up, they are unbeatable. 
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Hooli
21,186 posts
69 months
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creampuff said: Wedg1e said: The mirrors on my Pan Euro are a fair bit wider than the panniers. I have been held up when filtering by sports bikes before. I have also clipped things with my mirrors before but, unlike sports bikes with their mirrors on lanky alloy stalks, my mirror pods are plastic and simply unclip themselves, creating another two inches of clearance and dangling on their straps until I can clip them back on again. Mmm, same bike, but when the clearance gets really small, I duck paddle the bike so as yet I've never clipped anything on the Pan. The problem with the Pan, I find, is that compared with smaller bikes with the usual mirrors on stalks you can lean the bike while duck paddling to create extra clearance on one side as required, but the Pan is a wide bike overall and heavy, so I have less success doing this. Often this can be the difference between making it to the head of the queue and being stuck a few cars back. OTOH when filtering moving traffic, Pan European + white helmet + high viz jacket makes me look like a copper to a lot of motorists, so gaps create themselves anyway. Mines a ST11, but I've found you can crank the bike right over while going straight to the point I'm sitting on the edge of the seat & get enough lean so one mirror goes over car mirrors & the other under. I've got a tendency to do this when getting to/from work lately. T'is funny to stick a Pan through a gap & watch the spurtsbike behind stop & bottle the gap.
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LoonR1
12,443 posts
46 months
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Hooli said: Mines a ST11, but I've found you can crank the bike right over while going straight to the point I'm sitting on the edge of the seat & get enough lean so one mirror goes over car mirrors & the other under. I've got a tendency to do this when getting to/from work lately. T'is funny to stick a Pan through a gap & watch the spurtsbike behind stop & bottle the gap. Given how wide that approach would make your bike. Wouldnt it just be easier to ride upright through the gap between the cars
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Hooli
21,186 posts
69 months
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LoonR1 said: Given how wide that approach would make your bike. Wouldnt it just be easier to ride upright through the gap between the cars Nope. Have a look at the front of a Pan. The mirrors are huge so dropping one a few inches & lifting the other gains just enough for gaps it wouldn't quite fit through. Tbh most of the times it's just to clear one mirror when a van or something is the other side, but it does work. Mainly though the trick around here is to time it so your not passing two mirrors at once.
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