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B Huey
Original Poster
4,881 posts
68 months
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Just seen on Sky news. Tories want to change the law so stray animals can be used for "environmental and scientific" testing. This one should prove popular. 
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nelly1
4,922 posts
100 months
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Can the proposal include this type of stray animals?   I see no other use for them 
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Pothole
18,100 posts
151 months
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- We currently have coalition government
- The Sky News website has no story of this kind on it.
Could you perhaps provide a cite/link, or wait till the story rolls around again and report it accurately, please?
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nelly1
4,922 posts
100 months
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B Huey
Original Poster
4,881 posts
68 months
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Pothole said: * We currently have coalition government - The Sky News website has no story of this kind on it.
Could you perhaps provide a cite/link, or wait till the story rolls around again and report it accurately, please? No problem. http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/michelle-thewe/gov...
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colonel c
6,013 posts
108 months
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I would imagine the labs that carry out animal experimentation would not welcome this at all. They don't need any more negative publicity.
Just think of the headlines when little girl loses a puppy and it's collar turns up in a lab refuse sack.
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voyds9
4,069 posts
152 months
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What should we do with stray animals, just kill them or perhaps provide them with a council house and a full time carer.
Would we care so much if it was those pitbull type dogs that have been chewing faces off recently.
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thinfourth2
23,612 posts
73 months
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Lets look at this through a different set of eyes
What scientist would happily use a complete miss mash of test subjects of completely unknown history for a tightly controlled test?
It is merely sky reporting that the torie party is no longer kissing news corps ass
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RobDickinson
15,237 posts
123 months
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What a shockingly poorly written article on the huff. They dont link to the home office press release nor mention exactly what this EU law is , skips over everything of substance & pretty much seems to make up its own content. Here is the press release. http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/media-centre/press-re...Though I cant even get to the further linked document. No idea what the huff i son about as I cant see any mention of strays.
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DieselGriff
5,160 posts
128 months
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voyds9 said: What should we do with stray animals, just kill them or perhaps provide them with a council house and a full time carer.
Would we care so much if it was those pitbull type dogs that have been chewing faces off recently. I can see this point of view and it sort of makes sense but I think the vast majority of the public would see it as inhumane. A question that raises itself in my head is how useful would these really strays be in a medical experiment, for example? I thought the labs bred their animals from known parents, that way they know that they are clean and without genetic issues so any effects the experiment has on them are due to the experiment not on an underlying condition they have no knowledge of? I admit that is just speculation but I can't see this going well for the Government or those companies engaged in animal experiments.
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TheSnitch
662 posts
23 months
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DieselGriff said: voyds9 said: What should we do with stray animals, just kill them or perhaps provide them with a council house and a full time carer.
Would we care so much if it was those pitbull type dogs that have been chewing faces off recently. I can see this point of view and it sort of makes sense but I think the vast majority of the public would see it as inhumane. A question that raises itself in my head is how useful would these really strays be in a medical experiment, for example? I thought the labs bred their animals from known parents, that way they know that they are clean and without genetic issues so any effects the experiment has on them are due to the experiment not on an underlying condition they have no knowledge of? I admit that is just speculation but I can't see this going well for the Government or those companies engaged in animal experiments. You are quite right, most testing is done on pure bred animals, for exactly the reasons you state. I am afraid I would not be prepared to take the word of the ''Chief Executive of BUAV, The Campaign to End Animal Experiments'' on this matter, and will wait until I read a proper report and not a campaign piece before I believe it.
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thinfourth2
23,612 posts
73 months
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TheSnitch said: You are quite right, most testing is done on pure bred animals, for exactly the reasons you state.
I am afraid I would not be prepared to take the word of the ''Chief Executive of BUAV, The Campaign to End Animal Experiments'' on this matter, and will wait until I read a proper report and not a campaign piece before I believe it. Yes i imagine a test carried out on 4 staffies, 2 cats, a hamster and a budgie named frank might not be very telling
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B Huey
Original Poster
4,881 posts
68 months
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thinfourth2 said: Yes i imagine a test carried out on 4 staffies, 2 cats, a hamster and a budgie named frank might not be very telling If there is no point testing pets why change the law to allow it?
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AndrewW-G
11,968 posts
86 months
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B Huey said: thinfourth2 said: Yes i imagine a test carried out on 4 staffies, 2 cats, a hamster and a budgie named frank might not be very telling If there is no point testing pets why change the law to allow it? Article said: plans to bring in a new EU law
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Pesty
25,911 posts
125 months
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TheSnitch said: I am afraid I would not be prepared to take the word of the ''Chief Executive of BUAV, The Campaign to End Animal Experiments'' on this matter, and will wait until I read a proper report and not a campaign piece before I believe it. Neither would I. The camp out side our head office and cause general mayhem shouting at you. doesn't matter how many times we tell them we have nothing to do with and never have had anything to do with animal testing they still turn up. I think we even invited a few in to look around just to get rid That didn't even work.
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0000
9,323 posts
60 months
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What's with all the lefty propaganda getting aired around here at the moment?
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Jessicus
230 posts
15 months
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How does an official press release with the title:
"New measures to ensure the protection of animals used in scientific procedures were set out by the government today as part of a drive to strengthen and harmonise animal welfare standards across Europe.
The measures form part of a new EU directive which uses as a template many of the UK’s existing high standards and will ensure similar levels of protection are applied in other European countries." Which indicates to me that the new EU legislation will improve animal testing conditions across the EU countries that do not currently have strong legislation of their own. Raising standards.
Equal:
"Government Opens Laboratory Gates to Lost Pets, Protects Secrecy, Poisoning and Electrocution"?
When it's a blog post on Huffington Post written by:
"Michelle Thew is Chief Executive of the British Union for the Abolition of Vivisection (the BUAV)."
Obviously an impartial reporter.
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AJS-
10,017 posts
105 months
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They do know how to pick the popular policies don't they?
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otolith
19,408 posts
73 months
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Anti-vivisection group in intellectual dishonesty shocker.
The Sky "Tories say yes to stealing kittens" line does look just a little like sour grapes.
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otolith
19,408 posts
73 months
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Ok, I see what they are hanging their spin on - it is this - Statement said: : Stray and Feral Animals of Domestic Species The Directive prohibits the use of stray and feral animals of domestic species except where (a) there is an essential need for studies concerning the health and welfare of the animals or serious threats to the environment or to human or animal health, and (b) there is a scientific justification that the purpose of the procedure can be achieved only by the use of a stray or a feral animal. These provisions are consistent with current UK legislation, policy and practice." As I suspected, intellectually dishonest. Imagine, for example, I want to conduct my PhD into the extent to which stray and feral cats are a reservoir for - let's say - feline leukaemia virus. That seems like a worthwhile bit of research to me, providing information to help result in better animal welfare outcomes. So, I will want to catch a number of these stray/feral cats, take a blood sample and release them. Maybe I will also want to microchip them and do a follow up in 12 months. So capture, restrain, possibly sedate, take blood, microchip. All routine veterinary procedures, but if done for scientific purposes all of these actions, the project as a whole and the individual scientists involved will need to be covered by a home office licence. Without the exemption listed above, this research is not possible. It's not about stealing pets for vivisection, the BUAV know damn well that it isn't and their disingenuousness is shameful.
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