HMS Queen Elizabeth

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AshVX220

5,929 posts

190 months

Friday 12th July 2013
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I didn't know what CVS did at Portland having never attended OST with one in attendance, so thanks very much for the info Phud.

As Phud says, QEC will probably anchor and run boats to and from shore.

wildcat45

8,072 posts

189 months

Friday 12th July 2013
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doogz said:
Sounds like a pain in the ass.

They can RAS at sea, obviously, so transferring food, supplies, men, etc is do-able, but for the purposes of filling the magazine, I'd have assumed they'd want her tied up alongside to crane pallets onto the flight deck, as opposed to having to ship them there, or worse, fly them on.
Hence my Glenmallon query. What we need is a modern day Regent and Resource. Fort George could have been easily converted into a similar role as Lyness had there been a bit of forethought. (I know George had corrosion problems)

MBBlat

1,624 posts

149 months

Friday 12th July 2013
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AshVX220 said:
As Phud says, QEC will probably anchor and run boats to and from shore.
That was one of the design intents - hence the large platform & stairs at the stern plus the provision for largish fast ships boats to be used as passenger ferries. I wouldn't be surprised to see her frequently anchored out in the Solent like the yank carriers for short visits home either.

hidetheelephants

24,286 posts

193 months

Friday 12th July 2013
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wildcat45 said:
doogz said:
Sounds like a pain in the ass.

They can RAS at sea, obviously, so transferring food, supplies, men, etc is do-able, but for the purposes of filling the magazine, I'd have assumed they'd want her tied up alongside to crane pallets onto the flight deck, as opposed to having to ship them there, or worse, fly them on.
Hence my Glenmallon query. What we need is a modern day Regent and Resource. Fort George could have been easily converted into a similar role as Lyness had there been a bit of forethought. (I know George had corrosion problems)
You can fit 1/2 million tonne supertankers up Loch Long so if the Grey Funnel Line can't cope with it they ought to find new jobs. Are the new whizzy Korean-(as yet un)built RFAs not designed to cope with carrier battle group loggyness?

wildcat45

8,072 posts

189 months

Saturday 13th July 2013
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I was thinking more about the jetty at Glenmallon. I think it was built to take a CVS as its biggest customer, but I could be wrong.

The new RFAs are tankers. Someone told me they are going to be decent ships, but not quite as good as the Waves. We've not had a dedicated armament stores support ship role since we cut up Regent and Resource.

Back when we had ArkR 4, the one tat carried Phantoms and Buccs, there was a dedicated RFA the Lyness for her. It carried a lot of carrier specific sparesjet engines etc, and I think ordnance for the jets.

Wedg1e

26,801 posts

265 months

Monday 15th July 2013
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AshVX220 said:
Alongside in Pompey.
We've been busy for the last couple of years (on and off) decommissioning/ stripping out various old fuel/ steam/ water lines from MSJ in preparation for them parking the carriers there as shown.

Godalmighty83

417 posts

254 months

Tuesday 15th April 2014
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Well it's been a while since this thread had an update!

Some new pics recently went up.




And much more on the ACA Flicker.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/qeclasscarriers/

Not long until 'launch' now.

PugwasHDJ80

7,529 posts

221 months

Tuesday 15th April 2014
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That last picture really make it looks like the boat won't actually float when the dock is flooded

Has anyone checked because otherwise that's going to be a touch embarrassing!

PugwasHDJ80

7,529 posts

221 months

Tuesday 15th April 2014
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That last picture really make it looks like the boat won't actually float when the dock is flooded

Has anyone checked because otherwise that's going to be a touch embarrassing!

mybrainhurts

90,809 posts

255 months

Tuesday 15th April 2014
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That's going to take the lady whales by surprise...

paulrussell

2,105 posts

161 months

Wednesday 16th April 2014
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PugwasHDJ80 said:
That last picture really make it looks like the boat won't actually float when the dock is flooded

Has anyone checked because otherwise that's going to be a touch embarrassing!
It had better, otherwise I think the Government won't be too happy.

AshVX220

5,929 posts

190 months

Wednesday 16th April 2014
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doogz said:
PugwasHDJ80 said:
That last picture really make it looks like the boat won't actually float when the dock is flooded

Has anyone checked because otherwise that's going to be a touch embarrassing!
It'll float.

How high it'll float is another matter.
That's been my worry since they put the aft section on, the boat deck (where the waterline will be when she's full) is quite high above the dock-side. Would be highly embarrassing!

MartG

20,673 posts

204 months

Wednesday 16th April 2014
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Don't forget that when they float her out of the dock she'll be lacking a lot of equipment etc. so will be light and therefore floating high wink

maffski

1,868 posts

159 months

Wednesday 16th April 2014
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MartG said:
Don't forget that when they float her out of the dock she'll be lacking a lot of equipment etc. so will be light and therefore floating high wink
Plus they can always pump the hangers full of helium, it's supposed to be VTOL.

AshVX220

5,929 posts

190 months

Wednesday 16th April 2014
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MartG said:
Don't forget that when they float her out of the dock she'll be lacking a lot of equipment etc. so will be light and therefore floating high wink
Indeed, hopefully floating high enough. smile

I'm sure many people with brains far superior to mine have done numerous calculations.

Godalmighty83

417 posts

254 months

Wednesday 16th April 2014
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doogz said:
Normal procedure is to fit the propellers when the ship is in dry dock before it's floated out.
Normal certainly, it seems that she will be fitted with brake propellers for testing purposes and there will be swapped to the propulsion ones later when she's afloat... Should be fun for the divers!

Kenty

5,046 posts

175 months

Wednesday 16th April 2014
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Wasn't there something on the news recently that the channel has to be dredged for her to leave, at a cost of around £40M?

Seight_Returns

1,640 posts

201 months

Wednesday 16th April 2014
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Godalmighty83 said:
brake propellers
What's a brake propeller ?

I'd guess it's something that allows the shafts to be driven under power without generating any propulsion - but that's purely a guess.

mybrainhurts

90,809 posts

255 months

Wednesday 16th April 2014
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It'll never float, the fools are making it out of steel...

Godalmighty83

417 posts

254 months

Wednesday 16th April 2014
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Kenty said:
Wasn't there something on the news recently that the channel has to be dredged for her to leave, at a cost of around £40M?
The CVF is the biggest we have had and the water ways in many places have been long neglected anyway, the dredging was well overdue and as well as accommodating the CVF it will also allow other opportunities for larger foreign ships to dock here.

Seight_Returns said:
What's a brake propeller ?

I'd guess it's something that allows the shafts to be driven under power without generating any propulsion - but that's purely a guess.
Pretty much, will allow for testing up to 50% load, more then enough to ensure that everything has been put in the right way up and there will be (should be?) no nasty surprises during the first sea trials.