HMS Queen Elizabeth

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Munter

31,319 posts

240 months

Sunday 7th September 2014
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Did anybody mention yet that she'll actually be getting the sister ship. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-29075307

Price of Wales = sister. ... Always wondered.

PRTVR

7,072 posts

220 months

Sunday 7th September 2014
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V8 Fettler said:
mph1977 said:
V8 Fettler said:
The US would not have let the UK anywhere near to Trident without maintaining control, that has been the driving force behind continued US involvement in Europe since 1945. The US became involved in European warfare in 1917-18, then went into isolationism. But they were still dragged into the next European conflict, hence US strategy and political objectives in Europe 1945 onwards: remain involved and retain control.
as has been explained the UK was an independent Nuclear power prior to the 1958 agreement and deployed it;s own single keyed Nuclear weapons alongside Polaris until the end of the cold war and the withdrawl of the We .177 series weapons fro mthe FAA and the RAF.
Are you stating that the UK could have launched a nuclear attack against the Soviets without US support and approval? It's an illogical concept, if the UK did strike unilaterally then what do you think the Soviet response would be? It would have no reliable means to ascertain if the strike was UK only or UK/US, therefore the Soviets would assume the worse case and strike back at the UK and the US. Clearly, the US is not going to accept that level of risk, therefore the US will require a controlling element within the UK nuclear strike capability.
But would not your argument require the control of the French submarine launched missiles also? Because they could be mistaken for a US launch.

XJ Flyer

5,526 posts

129 months

Sunday 7th September 2014
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V8 Fettler said:
Are you stating that the UK could have launched a nuclear attack against the Soviets without US support and approval? It's an illogical concept, if the UK did strike unilaterally then what do you think the Soviet response would be? It would have no reliable means to ascertain if the strike was UK only or UK/US, therefore the Soviets would assume the worse case and strike back at the UK and the US. Clearly, the US is not going to accept that level of risk, therefore the US will require a controlling element within the UK nuclear strike capability.
Exactly.The US would never accept a situation whereby it gets a nuclear strike in retaliation for a unilateral British pre emptive or retaliatory one against the opposition.However it is equally obvious that situation would never have applied in the case of the US carrying out a strike at the expense of retaliation against its allies.

It would also be in the interests of the opposition to deliberately target the major ally in the form of the US regardless in that case.Thereby effectively neutralising the chance of the British deterrent ever being used unless/until America was hit first.

XJ Flyer

5,526 posts

129 months

Sunday 7th September 2014
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PRTVR said:
But would not your argument require the control of the French submarine launched missiles also? Because they could be mistaken for a US launch.
I'd guess it was partly that argument which led to France withdrawing from the NATO alliance.In which case I'd guess that any such unilateral strike by France threatening the US with retaliation would possibly have been met by the threat of a pre emptive strike against France by the US.

slinky

15,704 posts

248 months

Sunday 7th September 2014
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Lurking Lawyer said:
Chaps, can I suggest that one of you creates a new thread to continue this (IMO) interesting-but-not-carrier-related discussion? The thread is being derailed (I accept that ainwas part of that!)

Or mods, maybe one of you can spin it off into a new thread?
No can do on the split I'm afraid. Feel free to fire up a new thread though.

perdu

4,884 posts

198 months

Sunday 7th September 2014
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slinky said:
Lurking Lawyer said:
Chaps, can I suggest that one of you creates a new thread to continue this (IMO) interesting-but-not-carrier-related discussion? The thread is being derailed (I accept that ainwas part of that!)

Or mods, maybe one of you can spin it off into a new thread?
No can do on the split I'm afraid. Feel free to fire up a new thread though.
That IS a pity

The "sumbariney's" stuff is fine, dandy and very interesting but I wish all these pages were for the new Aircraft Carriers for the Royal Navy

Guys perlease frown

ninja-lewis

4,226 posts

189 months

Saturday 13th September 2014
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LB02
Assembly of HMS Prince of Wales begins by QEClassCarriers, on Flickr

LB03
Assembly of HMS Prince of Wales begins by QEClassCarriers, on Flickr



POW blocks reported to be arriving at Rosyth with a higher degree of fitting out completed than the equivalent QE blocks.POW assembly should be even quicker than QE as LB02 and LB03 have been floated into the dock in order (QE saw LB03 arrive before LB02 so they to float it back out to LB02 in).

Also at Rosyth is LB01, waiting to be craned in at the bow. LB04 will arrive from Govan next July. The CB02 and CB03 are mostly at Rosyth already.

Mr_B

10,480 posts

242 months

Thursday 27th November 2014
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So what do the more knowledgeable folks make of this BBC story ? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-30209960

I take that to mean Harriers once more flying from the decks of a RN carrier ? Would look kinda odd having nothing to use of our own and filling it with an American version of an aircraft the Government ditched which is hailed as a great British design.

davepoth

29,395 posts

198 months

Thursday 27th November 2014
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Mr_B said:
So what do the more knowledgeable folks make of this BBC story ? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-30209960

I take that to mean Harriers once more flying from the decks of a RN carrier ? Would look kinda odd having nothing to use of our own and filling it with an American version of an aircraft the Government ditched which is hailed as a great British design.
I believe that it refers to American F-35s. They're first in the build queue so they'll have planes before we do. Since they still have some Harriers and F/A 18s to be going on with, I doubt Uncle Sam will have too much of a concern with having a squadron on loan.

Remember that having the UK in a fight makes it a multilateral campaign - which is important to the USA out of all proportion to the actual number of bombs we drop.

IanMorewood

4,309 posts

247 months

Thursday 27th November 2014
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I read that as the USMC will put half a dozen F35b's on deck so that our sailors will get used to operating them. We will still used our rotary assets at the same time.

mybrainhurts

90,809 posts

254 months

Friday 28th November 2014
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IanMorewood said:
I read that as the USMC will put half a dozen F35b's on deck so that our sailors will get used to operating them. We will still used our rotary assets at the same time.
What rotary assets? Black and Decker is now US owned.

XJSJohn

15,959 posts

218 months

Friday 28th November 2014
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mybrainhurts said:
IanMorewood said:
I read that as the USMC will put half a dozen F35b's on deck so that our sailors will get used to operating them. We will still used our rotary assets at the same time.
What rotary assets? Black and Decker is now US owned.
hehe

IanMorewood

4,309 posts

247 months

Friday 28th November 2014
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RN still has a handful of Lynx, Sea King and Merlins I think most are back from Afghanistan now.

donutsina911

1,049 posts

183 months

Friday 28th November 2014
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IanMorewood said:
RN still has a handful of Lynx, Sea King and Merlins I think most are back from Afghanistan now.
About 120 all in.

Lincsblokey

3,175 posts

154 months

Friday 28th November 2014
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IanMorewood said:
RN still has a handful of Lynx, Sea King and Merlins I think most are back from Afghanistan now.
All the merlins have also been transferred to RN now too.

Hooli

32,278 posts

199 months

Friday 28th November 2014
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XJSJohn said:
mybrainhurts said:
IanMorewood said:
I read that as the USMC will put half a dozen F35b's on deck so that our sailors will get used to operating them. We will still used our rotary assets at the same time.
What rotary assets? Black and Decker is now US owned.
hehe
Worth another hehe

mcdjl

5,438 posts

194 months

Tuesday 24th February 2015
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Seeing as this thread has gone quiet, I saw the QEs spare prop blade last week. Lets hope she doesn't break more than one at a time!


gwm

2,390 posts

143 months

Tuesday 24th February 2015
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I hope the 2 carriers work, but it's not as big as I thought it would be.



ETA: Look forward to seeing it with a full flight onboard.

FourWheelDrift

88,376 posts

283 months

Tuesday 24th February 2015
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gwm said:
I hope the 2 carriers work, but it's not as big as I thought it would be.
It's small because it's far away.............

-crookedtail-

1,558 posts

189 months

Tuesday 24th February 2015
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FourWheelDrift said:
gwm said:
I hope the 2 carriers work, but it's not as big as I thought it would be.
It's small because it's far away.............
hehe

Back on the carrier, I think it looks good. Might only have a Seagull and a Barn Owl to fly off it though!