HMS Queen Elizabeth
Discussion
Did anybody mention yet that she'll actually be getting the sister ship. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-29075307
Price of Wales = sister. ... Always wondered.
Price of Wales = sister. ... Always wondered.
V8 Fettler said:
mph1977 said:
V8 Fettler said:
The US would not have let the UK anywhere near to Trident without maintaining control, that has been the driving force behind continued US involvement in Europe since 1945. The US became involved in European warfare in 1917-18, then went into isolationism. But they were still dragged into the next European conflict, hence US strategy and political objectives in Europe 1945 onwards: remain involved and retain control.
as has been explained the UK was an independent Nuclear power prior to the 1958 agreement and deployed it;s own single keyed Nuclear weapons alongside Polaris until the end of the cold war and the withdrawl of the We .177 series weapons fro mthe FAA and the RAF.V8 Fettler said:
Are you stating that the UK could have launched a nuclear attack against the Soviets without US support and approval? It's an illogical concept, if the UK did strike unilaterally then what do you think the Soviet response would be? It would have no reliable means to ascertain if the strike was UK only or UK/US, therefore the Soviets would assume the worse case and strike back at the UK and the US. Clearly, the US is not going to accept that level of risk, therefore the US will require a controlling element within the UK nuclear strike capability.
Exactly.The US would never accept a situation whereby it gets a nuclear strike in retaliation for a unilateral British pre emptive or retaliatory one against the opposition.However it is equally obvious that situation would never have applied in the case of the US carrying out a strike at the expense of retaliation against its allies.It would also be in the interests of the opposition to deliberately target the major ally in the form of the US regardless in that case.Thereby effectively neutralising the chance of the British deterrent ever being used unless/until America was hit first.
PRTVR said:
But would not your argument require the control of the French submarine launched missiles also? Because they could be mistaken for a US launch.
I'd guess it was partly that argument which led to France withdrawing from the NATO alliance.In which case I'd guess that any such unilateral strike by France threatening the US with retaliation would possibly have been met by the threat of a pre emptive strike against France by the US.Lurking Lawyer said:
Chaps, can I suggest that one of you creates a new thread to continue this (IMO) interesting-but-not-carrier-related discussion? The thread is being derailed (I accept that ainwas part of that!)
Or mods, maybe one of you can spin it off into a new thread?
No can do on the split I'm afraid. Feel free to fire up a new thread though.Or mods, maybe one of you can spin it off into a new thread?
slinky said:
Lurking Lawyer said:
Chaps, can I suggest that one of you creates a new thread to continue this (IMO) interesting-but-not-carrier-related discussion? The thread is being derailed (I accept that ainwas part of that!)
Or mods, maybe one of you can spin it off into a new thread?
No can do on the split I'm afraid. Feel free to fire up a new thread though.Or mods, maybe one of you can spin it off into a new thread?
The "sumbariney's" stuff is fine, dandy and very interesting but I wish all these pages were for the new Aircraft Carriers for the Royal Navy
Guys perlease
LB02
Assembly of HMS Prince of Wales begins by QEClassCarriers, on Flickr
LB03
Assembly of HMS Prince of Wales begins by QEClassCarriers, on Flickr
POW blocks reported to be arriving at Rosyth with a higher degree of fitting out completed than the equivalent QE blocks.POW assembly should be even quicker than QE as LB02 and LB03 have been floated into the dock in order (QE saw LB03 arrive before LB02 so they to float it back out to LB02 in).
Also at Rosyth is LB01, waiting to be craned in at the bow. LB04 will arrive from Govan next July. The CB02 and CB03 are mostly at Rosyth already.
Assembly of HMS Prince of Wales begins by QEClassCarriers, on Flickr
LB03
Assembly of HMS Prince of Wales begins by QEClassCarriers, on Flickr
POW blocks reported to be arriving at Rosyth with a higher degree of fitting out completed than the equivalent QE blocks.POW assembly should be even quicker than QE as LB02 and LB03 have been floated into the dock in order (QE saw LB03 arrive before LB02 so they to float it back out to LB02 in).
Also at Rosyth is LB01, waiting to be craned in at the bow. LB04 will arrive from Govan next July. The CB02 and CB03 are mostly at Rosyth already.
So what do the more knowledgeable folks make of this BBC story ? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-30209960
I take that to mean Harriers once more flying from the decks of a RN carrier ? Would look kinda odd having nothing to use of our own and filling it with an American version of an aircraft the Government ditched which is hailed as a great British design.
I take that to mean Harriers once more flying from the decks of a RN carrier ? Would look kinda odd having nothing to use of our own and filling it with an American version of an aircraft the Government ditched which is hailed as a great British design.
Mr_B said:
So what do the more knowledgeable folks make of this BBC story ? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-30209960
I take that to mean Harriers once more flying from the decks of a RN carrier ? Would look kinda odd having nothing to use of our own and filling it with an American version of an aircraft the Government ditched which is hailed as a great British design.
I believe that it refers to American F-35s. They're first in the build queue so they'll have planes before we do. Since they still have some Harriers and F/A 18s to be going on with, I doubt Uncle Sam will have too much of a concern with having a squadron on loan. I take that to mean Harriers once more flying from the decks of a RN carrier ? Would look kinda odd having nothing to use of our own and filling it with an American version of an aircraft the Government ditched which is hailed as a great British design.
Remember that having the UK in a fight makes it a multilateral campaign - which is important to the USA out of all proportion to the actual number of bombs we drop.
XJSJohn said:
mybrainhurts said:
IanMorewood said:
I read that as the USMC will put half a dozen F35b's on deck so that our sailors will get used to operating them. We will still used our rotary assets at the same time.
What rotary assets? Black and Decker is now US owned.Gassing Station | Boats, Planes & Trains | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff