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Ben Magoo
Original Poster
547 posts
91 months
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So... Been having some running issues with the old Mini Magoo for a while  (1981 - 998cc, single HS4 on water heated manifold (not connected), pancake K&N (freshly cleaned and oiled), red non waxstat jet. Minispares RC40 exhaust system, points ignition (red sliding) and Lucas 101 coil - both recently replaced in the last 4-6 months) She's been starting beautifully from cold, a little lumpy sometimes to start with but generally ok-ish although definately under powered!. Problem has been when she's hot - not wanting to idle and being a bugger to start when warm? On the L2B run I noticed a 'small' crack in the LCB 'Y' pipe (across the top of the 'Y') which I think was heating the fuel in the float bowl? I've since welded that and resealed the rest of the system for good measure - but sadly the issues persist!  Tonight I have checked for sparks, there are plenty and bright and blue etc. I have observed the fuel filling the glass filter nicely and checked the operation of the float valve. The dashpot moves freely and has oil - it's either 20/50 engine oil or 3in1? can't remember what I put in last time. As a precaution I have compression tested her showing around 120psi +/-5psi across all four cylinders! Internally she is completely standard, showing no signs of scoring etc at 115,000 miles with a copper head gasket installed about a year ago. Ultimately my questions are: 1: Is 120psi enough for a standard 998 of this ilk? (8.3/1 comp???) 2: Could my running issues be timing/distributor related coupled with the fact that the manifold crack may have been present when I last replaced the points, condenser and coil. I adjusted the timing at the same time. (set at around 8 degrees from memory) Thanks in advance! Ben M
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Cooperman
3,825 posts
119 months
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120 psi per cylinder does seem a bit low. When you did the compression test were all the other plugs out and the throttle fully open whilst you cranked it over for a minimum of 5 seconds.
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Ben Magoo
Original Poster
547 posts
91 months
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Cooperman said: 120 psi per cylinder does seem a bit low. When you did the compression test were all the other plugs out and the throttle fully open whilst you cranked it over for a minimum of 5 seconds. Ah ok, no plugs were out one at a time and throttle fully closed. Mmm should have googled before hand (muppet!) - will try again tomorrow! lol
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Cooperman
3,825 posts
119 months
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My guess is that with all plugs out, a fully charged battery and the throttle fully open you'll get around 180 psi. Let us know.
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davepoth
19,858 posts
68 months
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Have you tried a new condensor?
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GTRMikie
630 posts
117 months
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davepoth said: Have you tried a new condensor? Worth a try. I've had brand new condensers that have been cr*p!
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Ben Magoo
Original Poster
547 posts
91 months
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GTRMikie said: davepoth said: Have you tried a new condensor? Worth a try. I've had brand new condensers that have been cr*p! I'm not fitting another condenser ever! Next time it fails she's having electronic ignition! I'm very confident the sparks are good. Tested her again tonight, plugs out, full throttle - 125psi! Although it does sound like my compression tester is leaking!? I've calculated a turn over RPM of around 300rpm - the needle rises to 100psi then flicks to 125 in time with the rpm. I'm attempting to reseal the tester tonight for another go in the morning?! Also is 180psi really what I sould be seeing? There's not a great deal of info on this that I can easily find - (I've been told a race spec 1500 Haybusa runs around 220psi, a Ford Eco Boost around 80psi and a calculation I found last night gives a max potential psi of 166???) Confused dot com!
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nick1275
863 posts
39 months
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GTRMikie said: davepoth said: Have you tried a new condensor? Worth a try. I've had brand new condensers that have been cr*p! snap
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camelotr
523 posts
37 months
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Ben Magoo said: I'm not fitting another condenser ever! Next time it fails she's having electronic ignition! I'm very confident the sparks are good.
Tested her again tonight, plugs out, full throttle - 125psi! Although it does sound like my compression tester is leaking!? I've calculated a turn over RPM of around 300rpm - the needle rises to 100psi then flicks to 125 in time with the rpm. I'm attempting to reseal the tester tonight for another go in the morning?!
Also is 180psi really what I sould be seeing? There's not a great deal of info on this that I can easily find - (I've been told a race spec 1500 Haybusa runs around 220psi, a Ford Eco Boost around 80psi and a calculation I found last night gives a max potential psi of 166???) Confused dot com! The "compression testing" (which is actualy a cylinder peak pressure test) is not realy able to give stabile measurements, which can be compared to "factory standards". We usualy use cheap gauges which read erraticaly, the measured amount is dependant on the camshaft, cranking speed, oil type, temperature etc. The compression test is only good to compare the cylinders to each other. They should more-or less read the same if ok. A much better way to test an engine is to complete a leak-down test. This will reveal the problems better.
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Ben Magoo
Original Poster
547 posts
91 months
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guru_1071
2,318 posts
103 months
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id say that 99% that is an unleaded head, you can just see the ring of the seat around the exhaust valve - its the inner ring clse to the valve you have to look for, the wider ring is just a machining mark in the head.
if you take the valve out you will know for sure as you will see the seat in the throat
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Jon Brown
375 posts
53 months
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I cant help with your questions, but if your interested i have a Cooper 12G295 unleaded head and also a Swift tune SW5 cam kit with Venier pulley (only covered a few thousand miles) for sale.
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Ben Magoo
Original Poster
547 posts
91 months
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Jon Brown said: I cant help with your questions, but if your interested i have a Cooper 12G295 unleaded head and also a Swift tune SW5 cam kit with Venier pulley (only covered a few thousand miles) for sale. YHM Jon 
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Ben Magoo
Original Poster
547 posts
91 months
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Spent a good 3-4 hours over a few nights stripping the valves out etc. All seems ok - gone from this: _MG_0476 by Ben Magee Creative Arts, on Flickr With some cleaning and lapping to this: _MG_0481 by Ben Magee Creative Arts, on Flickr With an overall look of: _MG_0485 by Ben Magee Creative Arts, on Flickr Generally everything looks nice and consistent, the head and block are flat, valve gear appears fine? Once back together I'm thinking timing issues with specific attention to vacume advance maybe??? Also what are peoples experiences with worn carb jets? My red, none waxstat is about 8 years old and has done over 20k?
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FWDRacer
2,834 posts
93 months
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Jon Brown said: I cant help with your questions, but if your interested i have a Cooper 12G295 unleaded head and also a Swift tune SW5 cam kit with Venier pulley (only covered a few thousand miles) for sale. You'll need to insert it to reliably run unleaded 
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Ben Magoo
Original Poster
547 posts
91 months
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Lost my rag and burnt it out! (well, I wanted to tonight!) Got it all back together - no go. An exercise in futility (and for the dake of £3.99) I fitted a new condenser tonight. No go. At which point I spat my dummy out packed up and decided to play a game I could win! (The washing up) Going to calm down and start again at the begining tomorrow - battery's on charge ready for some churning Tuesday evening. She's being a complete f  king b  h at the moment and I don't know why! FRUSTRATED DOT COM!  
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Ben Magoo
Original Poster
547 posts
91 months
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What am I missing? Air filter is clean and freshly oiled, carb is clean and free flowing, fuel's getting through. The head gasket is fresh, the valves and clear and lapped. The plugs are sparking the points are clean and set, the timing hasn't moved. The exhaust is fully sealed and good to go. She just ain't firing? I get the odd cough but she don't want to f  king go!? What the f  king hell and I missing???
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Pooky67
426 posts
28 months
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What have you checked in the carb? Float ok? Piston drop test? Needle straight? Jet pipe clean?
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Ben Magoo
Original Poster
547 posts
91 months
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Pooky67 said: What have you checked in the carb? Float ok? Piston drop test? Needle straight? Jet pipe clean? Yep all checked, all working correctly! Think I'm going to throw in the towel and take it in on Tuesday 
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guru_1071
2,318 posts
103 months
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did you reset the valve clerances?
plug lead order???
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