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phatmanace
Original Poster
355 posts
78 months
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My wife is coming to to the end of an extended maternity leave period and thinking of new career options. She doesn't really want to go back to working in the city, and wants to find something to do flexibly from home (same problem that 99% of working mums have I guess) By her own admission, she's not creative, so the usual cake baking/making childrens clothes type startups really don't appeal to her - but she quite likes the idea of accountancy. The slight challenge is that I assume that to be a qualified (chartered) accountant, one needs industry experience - which I think is going to be hard with the 'flexibility requirement' She therefore looked at bookkeeping as an alternative, hopefully with slightly lower barrier to entry (was thinking solicitor vs para-legal). I had some questions about this. I've read through some fora and read about IAB - which seems to be the qualification you need to get started & that most people seem to get their foothold via work experience with accountancy firms. Some qns: - Can you become a chartered accountant solely via distance learning? - or do you need industry experience?
- is there a natural tension between BK's and accountants? - i.e a feeling that BK's hoover up all of potential revenue for accountants so that people can get away with spending less by just having the accountant sign off on their work at the end of the process - or is this unfair?
Interested to hear thoughts. -ace
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Steffan
6,176 posts
97 months
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Simple answer is you need to follow a specific career path, working for some years in a firm of Chartered Accountants with a specific training program, under a training contract, to qualify as a CA. And pass the exams of course which I think a significant number of UK graduates fail.
The is the Association of Accounting Technicians which might be more suitable but this would depend on your wife's needs and aspirations. Good qualification, but not to the level of a CA.
There are various colleges who offer training for accountants, These are pretty helpful and may have careers advisers. That is where I would suggest your wife looks.
Eric Mc is a well known CA on PH I do not doubt he would offer some very pertinent advice. Good luck to your wife in her choices.
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AdeTuono
3,751 posts
96 months
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On your second point; my accountant suggested I use a book-keeper for the general run-of-the-mill stuff such as VAT and consolidating the bank accounts, while he deals with preparing the returns, wages, corporation tax and so on. BK @ £20/hour vs. CA at around £100.
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Eric Mc
67,253 posts
134 months
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Hi
The formal "accounting" qualifications from the recognised "bodies" are all looked on as "professional" qualifications and therefore tend to have quite a few extra requirements added to them on top of the "mere" studying course materials and passing exams.
Trainee Chartered Accountants all have to spend a number of years working as "apprentices" in a practising firm of Chartred Accountants before they can get their qualificiation - even if they have passed the exams.
Certified accountants (which is what I am) don't insist on this unless the accountant wishes to work as a "practising" accountant (as opposed to being an accountant in industry or general industry.
Management Accountants (CIMA) are not so insistent on this (as far as I am aware) as CIMA qualified people tend to work in industry.
AAT is a "lower grade" qualification compared to the full blown professional qualification and it can be used as a stepping stone to the profession. It depends on her ambitions and the time and effort she wants to put into it.
Becoming a qualified professional accountant is not easy and does require a fair amount of study and sacrifice.
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Inkyfingers
996 posts
98 months
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From what you've said AAT sounds like it might be the way to go. It gives quite a few options for part time study etc and you can step up from it into one of the "full" accountancy qualifications at a later date if that is where you want to go. It's a big step up from a book keeping qualification but without the very long term commitment and "apprenticeship" that chartered or management accountants have to go through.
I'm not an accountant, but it's something i'm very interested in doing in the future. I currently run my own business but in a few years can see myself selling up and having a crack at it.
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essayer
1,586 posts
63 months
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phatmanace said: - is there a natural tension between BK's and accountants? - i.e a feeling that BK's hoover up all of potential revenue for accountants so that people can get away with spending less by just having the accountant sign off on their work at the end of the process - or is this unfair?
I would doubt that very much, to me they are very separate roles. A bookkeeper would do the day-to-day accounting work, like invoicing, expenses, bank reconciliations, payroll, management reports (monthly P+L, cash forecasting etc) and preparing the 'books' for year end. Some smaller companies get away without a bookkeeper. Some probably shouldn't try to! An accountant would take those books and analyse them and produce the statutory reports, as well as advise throughout the year on all those aspects of tax law or higher level advice. Very few accountants I know would get into the detail of bookkeeping (i.e. checking your bank statement against paid invoices, chasing overdue accounts etc). Obviously there can be overlap, a bookkeeper might know tax law, and an accountant might do bookkeeping or payroll for smaller businesses (although they'd probably just sub it out). It's unlikely a bookkeeper would do a full set of accounts nowadays. A good bookkeeper can act as the buffer between management and the accountant, and is a very important role for a smaller business, because many company directors are quite hopeless at bookkeeping and don't see beyond what's in the bank account or invoices floating in an "unpaid" status. Also worth bearing in mind that a bookkeeper could work for quite a few companies on a freelance basis, many businesses might only need a few hours or a day per week.
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s2kjock
139 posts
16 months
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IME even a half decent book-keeper should find plenty work.
Good ones are not easy to find, and tend to be busy.
Low overheads mean they can do the processing work accountants also do at a cheaper rate - bad book-keepers of course means your accountant charges you more for fixing the mess thay make at the period end, but hey-ho, you could say that about about all sorts of occupations.
I have seen folk make quite a reasonable living from it, although haven't seen any progress to professional qualifications myself. If you are busy, the time you need to study would be difficult to find though I would imagine.
I'm not sure how easy it would be to start from scratch and self teach - tricky with no support around you. If you are able to get away from home, even if part time, and are willing to start from the bottom, you could gain basic experience at a small accounting firm. A fast learner that can work accurately and quickly will do well - you won't get paid a lot, but it might give you a enough experience to think you can start up on your own after a period.
As above, don't worry about conflicts between book-keepers and accountants - we will recommend independent book-keepers we know if the client thinks we are too expensive or not suitable for any other reason - we get plenty of work back from book-keepers who recommend us to their clients for the higher level stuff they can't do.
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phatmanace
Original Poster
355 posts
78 months
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Thanks a lot for all the replies. Most helpful.
Mrs P is again surprised and impressed at the response from PH! - I am not surprised, just impressed.
anyhow - she's spoken to a local contact who runs a small book keeping firm and who echoed much of the advice given here.
Thanks again, Ace
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