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MadMullah
Original Poster
4,612 posts
62 months
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What does ph make of this so far?
Seems like even Anton wasn't aware he'd been racially abused till later!
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sugerbear
502 posts
27 months
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He was also (allegedly ?) throwing some abuse at Terry over his affair. Two wrongs dont make a right, but..
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UF
7,018 posts
52 months
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MadMullah said: Seems like even Anton wasn't aware he'd been racially abused till later! Does that matter? 40000 people making noise only feet away from him.
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thinfourth2
23,546 posts
73 months
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PeanutHead
7,548 posts
39 months
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thinfourth2 said: Who cares? Mrs Bridge?
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mattnunn
4,101 posts
30 months
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Couldn't have happened to a nicer chap, he's from such a lovely familly.
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Mr_B
4,719 posts
112 months
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Two idiots shouting abuse at each results in a show trial to get the point across about race. Terry won't be found guilty, and it will all be deemed OK and worth it as a kinda PR stunt to show how seriously the law takes racial abuse to the wider public.
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blindswelledrat
18,950 posts
101 months
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MadMullah said: What does ph make of this so far?
Seems like even Anton wasn't aware he'd been racially abused till later! Is there a link? I didnt even know it had started.
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Derek Smith
16,036 posts
117 months
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mattnunn
4,101 posts
30 months
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Do we know what he actually said? Does he deny saying it or just deny knowing it was raciallty abusive, I assume he knew it was abusive in some way or he wouldn't have said it.
has he fallen into the, well they call each other that so why is it racist if I call him that trap?
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blindswelledrat
18,950 posts
101 months
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Apparently "a f  king black " is one of them. ANd the second which I cannot make head nor tail of is "f***ing k***head". ANy guesses?
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mattnunn
4,101 posts
30 months
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blindswelledrat said: Apparently "a f king black " is one of them. ANd the second which I cannot make head nor tail of is "f***ing k***head". ANy guesses? Knob head perhaps? If this is racist then put me in a pillow case and call me Cleatus.
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Jasandjules
45,377 posts
98 months
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blindswelledrat said: Apparently "a f king black " is one of them. ANd the second which I cannot make head nor tail of is "f***ing k***head". ANy guesses? Well, the first sounds pretty much like racial abuse. The second, well, a kn**head is a kn**head no matter what colour ?!? So can't see how that one counts?
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Carfiend
3,186 posts
78 months
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Maybe he was born with a knob on this head and had it removed?
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iPlod999
200 posts
13 months
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I watched this match when it was live on Sky. The camera showed a live side face shot on Terry. When he said 'you black c***'. I saw it straight away. Even rewound and watched it again.
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TwigtheWonderkid
6,043 posts
19 months
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iPlod999 said: I watched this match when it was live on Sky. The camera showed a live side face shot on Terry. When he said 'you black c***'. I saw it straight away. Even rewound and watched it again. That's never been denied from the beginning. The question is, in what context. Terry says it was in response to the accusation, and that he said, sarcastically "He's saying I called you a black c***". Because Ferdinand had been told that by a team mate, he never heard it himself. And Terry was taking the pee at the suggestion. So the fact that you saw Terry utter those words doesn't help much. Terry admits he used those words.
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TTwiggy
3,730 posts
73 months
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My concern with this one is more the 'trial by mass media' angle.
My understanding is that two (well-paid) adults had an altercation on the field of play. Bad language was used by both parties, and on Mr Terry's side, that language may have included a racial slur or epithet.
At the time, neither party felt the need to report this to any higher authority, and, IMHO, that's where it should have stopped.
But, thanks to some airmchair detectives getting irate on behalf of someone they don't know, about a situation that they were not involved in, Terry is in court.
compare and contrast with the Suarez incident at Liverpool, which was put down to 'cultural differences' (despite an actual complaint being made by the injured party in this instance) and resulted in just a club-enforced fine.
It seems to me that this may play into the propaganda machine of the BNP etc, when they claim that 'only white people can be racist'.
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zygalski
1,036 posts
14 months
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As I recall, the expression on JT's face when he said those words wasn't reminiscent of someone questioning what he was supposed to have said.
It looked rather... assertive to me.
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obob
2,986 posts
63 months
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TTwiggy said: My concern with this one is more the 'trial by mass media' angle.
My understanding is that two (well-paid) adults had an altercation on the field of play. Bad language was used by both parties, and on Mr Terry's side, that language may have included a racial slur or epithet.
At the time, neither party felt the need to report this to any higher authority, and, IMHO, that's where it should have stopped.
But, thanks to some airmchair detectives getting irate on behalf of someone they don't know, about a situation that they were not involved in, Terry is in court.
compare and contrast with the Suarez incident at Liverpool, which was put down to 'cultural differences' (despite an actual complaint being made by the injured party in this instance) and resulted in just a club-enforced fine.
It seems to me that this may play into the propaganda machine of the BNP etc, when they claim that 'only white people can be racist'. Suarez is white though. Plus Ferdinand never heard him say it and has never said he did.
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TwigtheWonderkid
6,043 posts
19 months
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zygalski said: As I recall, the expression on JT's face when he said those words wasn't reminiscent of someone questioning what he was supposed to have said.
It looked rather... assertive to me. I'm not sure having a certain look on your face is 100% reliable evidence!
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