DB9 Volante - Roof Problems
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I've just started having trouble with the roof on my Volante.
It opens up fully but the nearside of the deck lid is not locking fully leaving me with a 'roof movement paused' alarm.
Closing the roof is similar, it eventually closes fully but leaves me with a 'roof movement paused' alarm.
Anyone have any ideas what would cause this?
Would each latching mechanism have an individual fuse?
It opens up fully but the nearside of the deck lid is not locking fully leaving me with a 'roof movement paused' alarm.
Closing the roof is similar, it eventually closes fully but leaves me with a 'roof movement paused' alarm.
Anyone have any ideas what would cause this?
Would each latching mechanism have an individual fuse?
I've had similar issues, the roof wouldn't close properly (I had to take my finger off the button as it would stop when at the final stage - i.e. closing the roof onto the top of the windscreen, then press the roof close button again to get it to close). This was due to water leaking apparently, was fixed under warranty by the dealer (although took about 2 weeks).
I also had the roof cover thingy not closing properly:
This was fixed at the same time, no idea what caused it (presume water ingress again) but I drove about with it not closing properly for a while with no detrimental effects (except it doesn't look as good). That was also fixed at the same time as the roof not closing properly.
I will have a look through the paperwork sometime this weekend and see if I can find anything that will help any more
And before Peter, Mikey or Jockman comment on the tiny little bit of the green alge stuff on the seals, they don't need to bother as it's not there now
I also had the roof cover thingy not closing properly:
This was fixed at the same time, no idea what caused it (presume water ingress again) but I drove about with it not closing properly for a while with no detrimental effects (except it doesn't look as good). That was also fixed at the same time as the roof not closing properly.
I will have a look through the paperwork sometime this weekend and see if I can find anything that will help any more
And before Peter, Mikey or Jockman comment on the tiny little bit of the green alge stuff on the seals, they don't need to bother as it's not there now
Found the problem after much stripping down - passenger seat out, the back seat and rear quarter panel card removed.
The motor for the latch is housed in a 'sealed' enclosure - which was half full with water!
He's behind the quarter light electric window drive- do that had to come out too.
Looks like water can run down the drive worm cable and into the assembly.
Luckily after stripping down the motor I was able clean up the brushes and everything else and bench tested it ok.
Will reassemble it with silicone to help seal it and drill a couple of drain holes in the bottom of the enclosure.
Would put a photo on, but can't figure out how to.
The motor for the latch is housed in a 'sealed' enclosure - which was half full with water!
He's behind the quarter light electric window drive- do that had to come out too.
Looks like water can run down the drive worm cable and into the assembly.
Luckily after stripping down the motor I was able clean up the brushes and everything else and bench tested it ok.
Will reassemble it with silicone to help seal it and drill a couple of drain holes in the bottom of the enclosure.
Would put a photo on, but can't figure out how to.
tomfoggy79 said:
...Would put a photo on, but can't figure out how to.
Posting a picture, not as tricky as your fix, well done
...here's how http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...tomfoggy79 said:
Found the problem after much stripping down - passenger seat out, the back seat and rear quarter panel card removed.
The motor for the latch is housed in a 'sealed' enclosure - which was half full with water!
He's behind the quarter light electric window drive- do that had to come out too.
Looks like water can run down the drive worm cable and into the assembly.
Luckily after stripping down the motor I was able clean up the brushes and everything else and bench tested it ok.
Will reassemble it with silicone to help seal it and drill a couple of drain holes in the bottom of the enclosure.
Would put a photo on, but can't figure out how to.
Good to hear you got it sorted. I had a look through the paperwork but couldn't find out exactly what was done, sounds like the same thing though with water leaking. The motor for the latch is housed in a 'sealed' enclosure - which was half full with water!
He's behind the quarter light electric window drive- do that had to come out too.
Looks like water can run down the drive worm cable and into the assembly.
Luckily after stripping down the motor I was able clean up the brushes and everything else and bench tested it ok.
Will reassemble it with silicone to help seal it and drill a couple of drain holes in the bottom of the enclosure.
Would put a photo on, but can't figure out how to.
Just joined the forum and saw the thread about DB9 Volante roof problems.
I have an issue where the roof opens but the deck covering the folded roof does not lock shut and when closing the roof it stops before contacting the header rail unless you press the button again whereupon the roof locks closed, a "roof closure paused" or some such message appears and an alarm sounds.
Question: did the fix mentioned when the motor for the deck locking mechanism was cleaned up sort both these issues?
I also found a lot of water under the fuse box in the boot a few days ago. This car gets very light use and hardly ever gets really wet. Could this be a coincidence?
I have checked all the relevant boot fuses and they are fine.
Any thoughts on water in the boot?
I have an issue where the roof opens but the deck covering the folded roof does not lock shut and when closing the roof it stops before contacting the header rail unless you press the button again whereupon the roof locks closed, a "roof closure paused" or some such message appears and an alarm sounds.
Question: did the fix mentioned when the motor for the deck locking mechanism was cleaned up sort both these issues?
I also found a lot of water under the fuse box in the boot a few days ago. This car gets very light use and hardly ever gets really wet. Could this be a coincidence?
I have checked all the relevant boot fuses and they are fine.
Any thoughts on water in the boot?
Carlv
The issue I had with the near side release hook not operating was resolved.
The motor housing box was half full with water so, that of course was stopping the motor for running - I was lucky that it wasn't blowing fuses or worse.
Trying to understand your issue - does the cover latch down once you get the roof fully closed up and locked?
Does it only not latch down when it is opened?
Water in the boot... Could just be a dodgy seal for the boot lid. Smear a thin layer of Vaseline all around the seal and close the boot. Open up the boot again and you should be able to see where the lid had made contact with the seal and any areas where it hasn't.
You could possibly have water coming in the holes where the bolts for the rear light cluster Penetrate the shell. Maybe over zealous pressure washing?
I'm away at work now, so can't look to see for any other suggestions.
The issue I had with the near side release hook not operating was resolved.
The motor housing box was half full with water so, that of course was stopping the motor for running - I was lucky that it wasn't blowing fuses or worse.
Trying to understand your issue - does the cover latch down once you get the roof fully closed up and locked?
Does it only not latch down when it is opened?
Water in the boot... Could just be a dodgy seal for the boot lid. Smear a thin layer of Vaseline all around the seal and close the boot. Open up the boot again and you should be able to see where the lid had made contact with the seal and any areas where it hasn't.
You could possibly have water coming in the holes where the bolts for the rear light cluster Penetrate the shell. Maybe over zealous pressure washing?
I'm away at work now, so can't look to see for any other suggestions.
Carlv
Just read through the thread again and it seems that you have the same issue that I originally had - so yes, addressing the water in the motor housing sorted everything.
When it started happeneding it slowly got worse for mine until it would not even unlock unless I was one wheel on a kerb. I thought it was an alignment issue with the chassis bending a bit, but clearly it was just enough to move the water away from the contacts and let it run, until it was so full of water that that no longer worked.
I had the roof down and couldn't close it for a few days till I fixed it. Luckily I had a garage at home to put the car away.
It wasn't an easy job mind, and has issues re-aligning the rear window, even though I marked everything as I stripped it. I also brought up an airbag error as I had to disconnect the side impact sensor - maybe had a isolated the battery that might not have happened, but I need the power to test the roof mechanism....
Just read through the thread again and it seems that you have the same issue that I originally had - so yes, addressing the water in the motor housing sorted everything.
When it started happeneding it slowly got worse for mine until it would not even unlock unless I was one wheel on a kerb. I thought it was an alignment issue with the chassis bending a bit, but clearly it was just enough to move the water away from the contacts and let it run, until it was so full of water that that no longer worked.
I had the roof down and couldn't close it for a few days till I fixed it. Luckily I had a garage at home to put the car away.
It wasn't an easy job mind, and has issues re-aligning the rear window, even though I marked everything as I stripped it. I also brought up an airbag error as I had to disconnect the side impact sensor - maybe had a isolated the battery that might not have happened, but I need the power to test the roof mechanism....
Thanks a lot for the very quick reply.
My hood closes with two button presses and the deck lid closes under the closed hood without problems. I do have to press the close button twice though but it all closes fine when I do. Unless there is a potential relay problem I can only see that copying your fix is the option for me.
I am a vigorous cleaner so maybe I have drenched the outside too much with the washer. I will check that out.
My hood closes with two button presses and the deck lid closes under the closed hood without problems. I do have to press the close button twice though but it all closes fine when I do. Unless there is a potential relay problem I can only see that copying your fix is the option for me.
I am a vigorous cleaner so maybe I have drenched the outside too much with the washer. I will check that out.
Had some fun today stripping out the motor assembly to find a perfectly dry box. But the bushes were pretty gone in the motor so sorted them out. Motor now runs both directions on the bench.
Trouble is when fitted back in the car, the motor only runs one way. This means the latch will unlock so the deck can raise but will not clamp down at the end of the procedure. Any suggestions welcome.
Trouble is when fitted back in the car, the motor only runs one way. This means the latch will unlock so the deck can raise but will not clamp down at the end of the procedure. Any suggestions welcome.
Could be the control module.
These are prone to failure, as I found out. But when it failed it caused errors throughout that whole Bus network, so I had many many faults, no dashboard displays - speed, etc all went, no indicators, no headlights luckily the brake lights worked so I drove him to the dealer using hand signals and a speedo app on my phone.!
So, possibly it could have a fault that isn't causing all that I had but just isn't sending out the signal to lock.
If it gets voltage to unlock, the fuse and wiring should be ok.
Is it just one side or both?
Can't recall if there are separate relays for near/off side.
If there is, try swapping them over?
These are prone to failure, as I found out. But when it failed it caused errors throughout that whole Bus network, so I had many many faults, no dashboard displays - speed, etc all went, no indicators, no headlights luckily the brake lights worked so I drove him to the dealer using hand signals and a speedo app on my phone.!
So, possibly it could have a fault that isn't causing all that I had but just isn't sending out the signal to lock.
If it gets voltage to unlock, the fuse and wiring should be ok.
Is it just one side or both?
Can't recall if there are separate relays for near/off side.
If there is, try swapping them over?
I have got the control module out now and following other forums I am going to leave it off power for a while and then reconnect. "Some say" this does the trick.
I am hoping there is only one motor and this controls both sides with long wormlike drive cables to the catches on both sides of the deck panel. Hope so. Don't want to do this twice.
For ready reference as there are many seemingly conflicting ideas on this, the control module is behind the plastic wing inner panel just in front of the rear wheel on the left hand side of the car (near side in UK). Wheel off, inner panel off (may torx bolts) and there you are. You have to remove a black metal panel in the wheel arch bodywork (4 no. torz bolts) and there she is. Black box of tricks with two multi-plugs.
If you recall more than one motor for this please let me know.
Will keep posting results.
I am hoping there is only one motor and this controls both sides with long wormlike drive cables to the catches on both sides of the deck panel. Hope so. Don't want to do this twice.
For ready reference as there are many seemingly conflicting ideas on this, the control module is behind the plastic wing inner panel just in front of the rear wheel on the left hand side of the car (near side in UK). Wheel off, inner panel off (may torx bolts) and there you are. You have to remove a black metal panel in the wheel arch bodywork (4 no. torz bolts) and there she is. Black box of tricks with two multi-plugs.
If you recall more than one motor for this please let me know.
Will keep posting results.
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