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VWS786
Original Poster
15 posts
9 months
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Hi Guys,
Im new to this forum which was strongly recommended by a friend.
I am thinking about buying a BMW 1 sereies 120 D sport or maybe the standard version. I am 25, soon to be 26 and this will be my second car, I have driven a ford focus for several years but that has some accident damage wich is not worth repairing.
I commute about 40 miles each day so would like something sporty and economical. Anyone have any tips on what I should look out for when buying a BMW 1 series (second hand) to avoid buying a dodgey BMW?
Thanks guys
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Fox-
9,958 posts
115 months
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The Sport pretty much is the standard version - it's just a trim level. It even looks like a standard 1 Series, as Sport isn't the trim level on the 1 Series that has the bodykit and big wheels etc, thats the M Sport.
Whats your budget?
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S3_Graham
10,685 posts
68 months
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i would check over the trim and listen for rattles etc. My 130 had annoying rattles that i didnt find until after delivery.
tyres will be expensive so make sure they have good life in them.
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VWS786
Original Poster
15 posts
9 months
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Thanks fellas,
My budget will be max of £6000 im looking to get one which is under 100,000 miles as my insurance will be pretty high because I am going to be on my own name from now on rather than on my dad's seeing as im working full time etc,
How much do the tyres cost on average to replace? Generally speaking have your 1 series been reliable in terms of mechanical problems? I guess im a little apprehensive about having problems with the car or buying one which is problem ridden, because my focus ran so well for several years
I have been told to avoid trade sellers and go for a private seller who can provide full service history, MOT etc.
I was consdering going for the three series M sport which my brother has, but I more of a hatch back person.
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spud989
1,105 posts
49 months
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People will tell you that you're aiming too high with that budget and are better off with a Focus/similar, especially if your insurance is also going to be high.
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Fox-
9,958 posts
115 months
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I think I'd buy something else if I had less than £6k to spend. It isn't going to get you a particularly great 1 Series.
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mekondelta
295 posts
129 months
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IMO, either buy a car without sports suspension and keep the run flats or buy a car with the M-Sport spec (or SE with optional sports suspension) and ditch the run flats.
The combination of both, even on 17" wheels is annoying beyond belief for me although maybe my age is telling.
Good options to have are the powered wing mirrors and auto dimming rear view mirror. OK options are auto wipers and auto lights. Business radio isn't very good so finding a professional one is worthwhile if you can.
Engine up to you but the manual on ours has too strong a flywheel which means the engine spins too high and makes it difficult to time gear changes when pressing on.
Try a few and se what fits!
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tim0409
720 posts
28 months
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£6k is probably a bit light to get a decent 1 series. I am selling my 118d (immaculate, FSH, 5dr) and even at 85k the going rate is around £7k. I do however think they are a cut above Focus's etc in terms of handling and I only pay £30 road tax and get 50mpg which is decent given it puts out 143bhp.
The one thing I would check if you are buying a 1 series with a N47 engine is the timing chain, especially around the 08 year. A batch of faulty camshafts with cranks that were too sharp have led to failure of chains. As the chain is at the back its an engine out job if you need to replace it - an early indication is a "swooshing" noise around 1500rpm (this is well documented over at babybmw and there is also a PUMA case open for it). I would consider a BMW drivetrain warranty (circa £275 a year) to give peace of mind.
The other issue is the original clutch design can cause judder (and in my case a less than smooth gearchange) - I recently had mine replaced under extended warranty with a redesigned clutch which is many, many times better (again, loads of info about this over at babybmw).
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bbr92
21 posts
32 months
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Full buying guide for the 120d in last months BMWCar Magazine which was very useful when looking at ones for my wife!
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David911RSR
931 posts
79 months
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I am helping a friend to sell their 1 series. There are plenty for sale in the classifieds and the market is very slow, so haggle hard and you may bag yourself a decent car for your budget. As an example, the top trade bid I have received for my friends 09', 09 118d SE 5dr in metallic black with a full BMW SH (recent service), 12mths MOT, 58,000 miles was 8k. The BMW dealer offered 7,750.
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David911RSR
931 posts
79 months
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I am helping a friend to sell their 1 series. There are plenty for sale in the classifieds and the market is very slow, so haggle hard and you may bag yourself a decent car for your budget. As an example, the top trade bid I have received for my friends 09', 09 118d SE 5dr in metallic black with a full BMW SH (recent service), 12mths MOT, 58,000 miles was 8k. The BMW dealer offered 7,750.
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VWS786
Original Poster
15 posts
9 months
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intresting thanks for the advice fellas, will take it on board.
What do you guys think about buying from traders? I have heard horror stories about buying a car from them?
I know private BMW sellers can be dodgey too, but they are less likely to have contacts in the motor trade who can pass of MOT's etc
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iSore
752 posts
13 months
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120d's don't sell as well as the 118d. Neither are very nice and you'd be better off with a Mark 5 TDi Golf.
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Fox-
9,958 posts
115 months
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iSore said: 120d's don't sell as well as the 118d. What is your basis for this claim? I can't imagine its true, especially as the 118d isn't any more economical than the 118d either. It's not as if it's a V8 and the 118d is the sensible diesel of the range is it?
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S3_Graham
10,685 posts
68 months
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Fox- said: iSore said: 120d's don't sell as well as the 118d. What is your basis for this claim? I can't imagine its true, especially as the 118d isn't any more economical than the 118d either. It's not as if it's a V8 and the 118d is the sensible diesel of the range is it? +1 the 118d is the same engine but de-tuned. Why would the lesser engine be more desirable?
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Frik
11,947 posts
112 months
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I'd say it was the more accurate of iSore's statements. Given that the vast majority of the 118d/120d must have been sold new as company cars, I can well believe more of the (marginally but crucially cheaper) 118d were sold.
To the OP - bear in mind the M47 engine was replaced by the N47 in 2007 which was more powerful and economical in both 118d and 120d forms.
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Fox-
9,958 posts
115 months
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Frik said: I'd say it was the more accurate of iSore's statements. Given that the vast majority of the 118d/120d must have been sold new as company cars, I can well believe more of the (marginally but crucially cheaper) 118d were sold. Which makes the 120d harder to sell than a 118d on the used market... err how exactly? If anything it makes it more sought after if there are less.
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Frik
11,947 posts
112 months
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Fox- said: err how exactly? It means I read his post wrong. Ahem. Mind you I'd still like to know why he doesn't think they're "very nice".
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jdcampbell
163 posts
118 months
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iSore said: Neither are very nice and you'd be better off with a Mark 5 TDi Golf. The 120d knocks the Golf into a cocked hat! I had a 2.0 TDi Golf and whilst it was a perfectly OK car in general when I swapped it for a 120d I was blown away by how much better a car it was. More economical, more refined, more comfortable, massively better to drive. I had really wanted a 3 series, but could only afford the 1 series at the time. I bought it thinking I was short changing myself, but it turned out to be one of the most enjoyable cars I have ever owned.
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iSore
752 posts
13 months
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Fox- said: What is your basis for this claim? I can't imagine its true, especially as the 118d isn't any more economical than the 118d either. It's not as if it's a V8 and the 118d is the sensible diesel of the range is it? Being a BMW salesman when these were current. The 120d was okay but the 118d was fast enough for the majority of buyers and it outsold it around 3 to 1. Look on the AUC website and I would imagine the 118d's outnumber the 120d by a hefty margin. The 118d is better on fuel - I could easily get 5 mpg more, and the 118d is not slow with the 143 bhp version being quite nippy. They were also a bit cheaper to buy with the ES model being the most popular. I trust that answers your question.
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