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essayer
1,591 posts
63 months
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toxicnerve said: You'd be surprised though, quite a lot of 2-up-2-down Victorian Terrace type houses have lofts of open to neighbours. It's weird and I was surprised when I first saw it. Most, of course, have been bricked up these days but I'd bet there are still a good few out there which have not been sorted. Our house is like this, what's weirder is that it was built with a bedroom in the loft space, a door each side into the eaves and no partition on either side ! So nothing protecting against fire or body-carrying n'er-do-wells Must get that sorted..
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bexVN
9,508 posts
80 months
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Rollcage said: MM - he won't have set out to kill her. Odds are it happened accidentaly, the circumstances of which we don't yet know. It is all too easy to come to a conclusion as to what happened though. Yes I thought this, lost his temper and took it too far (obviously) though this is all still alleged at the mo. Why though - was she demanding money, refusing his advances, wouldn't tidy her room etc etc, guess we'll find out soon, I just keep thinking poor poor girl 
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Deva Link
26,934 posts
114 months
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essayer said: Our house is like this, what's weirder is that it was built with a bedroom in the loft space, a door each side into the eaves and no partition on either side ! So nothing protecting against fire or body-carrying n'er-do-wells
Must get that sorted.. Have you checked under the bed recently?  Normally, lack of firewall gets picked up by mortgage surveyors, and getting them built becomes a condition of the mortgage.
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hornetrider
40,801 posts
74 months
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don'tbesilly said: From 'The Wail'
Colleagues lifted the loft hatch and saw a large ‘container’, possibly a rigid suitcase, containing Tia’s body with her arms and legs sprawled outside". Jesus christ. What possesses someone to do something like this.
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gtdc
4,234 posts
152 months
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I can see the whole scenario with the bloke. But the Grandmother? Even allowing for the pure genetic soup she is crawling in, how do you stoop that low? Following on so soon from the Derby fire lot it just reinforces the thought that we really have so little idea of what goes on in the lives of the feral.
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Marf
22,907 posts
110 months
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hornetrider said: don'tbesilly said: From 'The Wail'
Colleagues lifted the loft hatch and saw a large ‘container’, possibly a rigid suitcase, containing Tia’s body with her arms and legs sprawled outside". Jesus christ. What possesses someone to do something like this. Odd, I've heard from people in the force that she was found stuffed into the eaves, not in a case.
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dandarez
4,474 posts
152 months
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don'tbesilly said: From 'The Wail'
"Officers had previously conducted a full search of the house and a second sweep using dogs trained to detect dead bodies. Colleagues suspect the body was behind a door connecting the loft to that of an adjacent property.
Sources claimed a team who spent two hours searching the property last Sunday did not check the neighbouring loft space because they needed a search warrant.
A further search of Sharp’s house began on Friday morning when a junior officer insisted a sniffer dog was ‘indicating’ towards a bedroom ceiling. The officers themselves could also smell decomposition.
Initially a senior officer co-ordinating the search said the loft had already been checked but was persuaded to change his mind.
Colleagues lifted the loft hatch and saw a large ‘container’, possibly a rigid suitcase, containing Tia’s body with her arms and legs sprawled outside". If Wail story above is correct, a big 'well-done' to the junior officer and his dog. Wonder what the conversation with the senior officer in charge of the search was like!
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Oakey
13,728 posts
85 months
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gtdc said: I can see the whole scenario with the bloke. But the Grandmother? Even allowing for the pure genetic soup she is crawling in, how do you stoop that low? Following on so soon from the Derby fire lot it just reinforces the thought that we really have so little idea of what goes on in the lives of the feral. But it's not just the feral, is it? The billionaire guy with the dead wife did something similar.
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chris watton
12,368 posts
129 months
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Oakey said: But it's not just the feral, is it? The billionaire guy with the dead wife did something similar. Did he? I thought his wife died from drug-related problems.
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weddingcars
8 posts
21 months
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Not only feeling sorry for the family but all grandparents who may now be wondering if they will be viewed with suspicion in the near future. Need to know the full story asap.
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Puggit
29,512 posts
117 months
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Daily Wail has pictures of the mother, step-father and father visiting the scene yesterday. Very sad.
What must be going through the mother's mind is truly incomprehensible.
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bexVN
9,508 posts
80 months
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chris watton said: Oakey said: But it's not just the feral, is it? The billionaire guy with the dead wife did something similar. Did he? I thought his wife died from drug-related problems. She did, he was charged for not reporting her death, I read that he couldn't accept what had happened (partlydue to his addiction and partly due to being reclusive), so not quite the same scenario.
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Oakey
13,728 posts
85 months
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bexVN said: chris watton said: Oakey said: But it's not just the feral, is it? The billionaire guy with the dead wife did something similar. Did he? I thought his wife died from drug-related problems. She did, he was charged for not reporting her death, I read that he couldn't accept what had happened (partlydue to his addiction and partly due to being reclusive), so not quite the same scenario. Yeah, he tied her up in a bin bag and left her under a pile of clothes I believe. This is assuming that this Hazell geezer accidentally killed her and then tried to cover up the death as opposed to straight up murdered her.
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dandarez
4,474 posts
152 months
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bexVN said: chris watton said: Oakey said: But it's not just the feral, is it? The billionaire guy with the dead wife did something similar. Did he? I thought his wife died from drug-related problems. She did, he was charged for not reporting her death, I read that he couldn't accept what had happened (partlydue to his addiction and partly due to being reclusive), so not quite the same scenario. I agree not quite the same. However, he was charged for not allowing her a lawful burial - nonetheless, how long would her 'concealed body' have lain there if he had not been caught driving while on drugs and consequently arrested and his/their home searched? So, had he mown down a youngster while under the influence... but he didn't so that's ok, the sympathetic hearts soon bled for him. He gets off with a suspended on both counts: not allowing the burial and unfit to drive while under the influence. War on drugs. What war? Back on topic.
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chris watton
12,368 posts
129 months
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Oakey said: Yeah, he tied her up in a bin bag and left her under a pile of clothes I believe.
This is assuming that this Hazell geezer accidentally killed her and then tried to cover up the death as opposed to straight up murdered her. I thought I read that this Hazel animal admitting to raping the poor 12 year old girl before killing her - is this not the case now?
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CAPP0
5,840 posts
72 months
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toxicnerve said: You'd be surprised though, quite a lot of 2-up-2-down Victorian Terrace type houses have lofts of open to neighbours. Never seen "Shooting Fish"?? Many Victorian-ish terraces had no firewalls in the loft space, although latterly it's often a mortgage condition to put them in.
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PumpkinSteve
1,802 posts
25 months
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chris watton said: I thought I read that this Hazel animal admitting to raping the poor 12 year old girl before killing her - is this not the case now? I don't think there has been anything reported on that so far.
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hornetrider
40,801 posts
74 months
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Tumbler
916 posts
35 months
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PumpkinSteve said: chris watton said: I thought I read that this Hazel animal admitting to raping the poor 12 year old girl before killing her - is this not the case now? I don't think there has been anything reported on that so far. Not seen that reported, reports say she was smothered, and then wrapped in a bed sheet and bin bag.
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Morningside
16,785 posts
98 months
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hornetrider said: That explains why they had an evidence bag with the duvet in it.
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