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Ray Luxury-Yacht
6,385 posts
85 months
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I hope this won't be like Schumacher in F1...
Brawn win the world championship, Schumacher joins that winter, and the team re-emerges a few months later as 'Mercedes' but with basically the same kit, team and manager.
Everyone hails the deal and predicts a Schumacher walk-over.
History dictates...err, something completely different!
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Dare2Fail
2,472 posts
77 months
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998420 said: No, Yamaha 2 strokes were good, but the M1 4 stroke was rubbish till Rossi and Burgess turned it around over the winter.
Trying to diminish any aspect of Valentino's career or achievements simply defines you as a muppet with an agenda. So Furusowa (I really have no idea how to spell that, do I?) played no part? The ill handling M1 was already well on its way to being sorted by the time Rossi rode it as Furusowa started 6 months earlier and had a better handling chassis on the bike for the Valencia round. The problem after that was the engine, and That was being worked on as they had three options for Rossi to test. To suggest that Rossi and Burgess rocked up and sorted everything is laughable. This also explains why it hasn't worked at Ducati. Rossi and Burgess played a large role, but they needed a strong leader back at the factory to work with who could sort the engineering side. From my perspective it looks like Rossi and Burgess have been fighting with the engineers more than being able to work with them as a team.
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krissstephen
167 posts
37 months
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The weight issue can't make a huge difference as simoncelli was a giant among midgets and he did not half bad!
It's sad that he left Ducati without a win would have been nice, even sadder is the delusion he will walk back into Yamaha and begin schooling Jorge.
While Rossi has been sliding down the Tarmac Jorge has matured and improved hugely and is an amazing consistent rider. He really know how to ride that bike.
I don't think all the issues were in the Ducati I think some were in his cOnfidence.
Will be interesting and I hope nicky can get some Ducati podiums.
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996 sps
5,651 posts
85 months
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RX7 said: Really, here are some figures to help you!
Doohan titles 94, 95, 96, 97 & 98 Rossi 01, 02, 03
barring Criville with his 99 win and as you say Roberts Jnr in 00, i would say thats dominance from Doohan & Rossi, perhaps we have a different view on dominance, but i would say out of 10 years, Doohan and Rossi winning 8 of those years is pretty dominating, or still But Honda took a gamble on Rossi as they are with Marquez. They didn't know he would dominate a la Pedrosa, Hayden etc who didn't and got binned, if Rossi would of stayed in 250's like Biaggi he would have dominated that on an Aprillia. So Rossi proved doubters like you wrong by moving to Yamaha and then immediately winning a world title. As Stoner did with Honda both phenomenal riders. So your point doesn't stand, oh the fastest comment is just as the interviews with the paddock reference the 2003 Yamaha may help you.
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leeson660
334 posts
34 months
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Fantastic news  I really cannot wait to see Rossi on a ridable bike again. Will definitely start watching Moto GP again now.
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norfolkscooby
964 posts
24 months
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leeson660 said: Fantastic news  I really cannot wait to see Rossi on a ridable bike again. Will definitely start watching Moto GP again now. And that is the prime reason i cant wait for him to retire. His bit part, 'Rossi is gp' fans and there silly views.
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RX7
227 posts
113 months
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996 sps said: But Honda took a gamble on Rossi Honda took a gamble on the 125 & 250cc title winner???????? Of course any change from one class to another is a gamble in relative terms, but your shortening your odds massively by signing a two time championship winner in different classes! Isnt this the very basis of why works teams fight to get the best riders on next years bikes?
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Dangermouse58
81 posts
9 months
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norfolkscooby said: And that is the prime reason i cant wait for him to retire.
His bit part, 'Rossi is gp' fans and there silly views. Coming from the stoner fanboi club president thats a bit rich!  Do you have tailor made gloves for your six fingers?
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RX7
227 posts
113 months
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Dangermouse58 said: Coming from the stoner fanboi club president thats a bit rich!  Do you have tailor made gloves for your six fingers? He has a point buddy, anyone watching any type of motor sport solely to watch one rider/driver is a bit limited surely? I know we all have our favourite riders/drivers and i remember when Rossi first started hitting the headlines and loved watching him, even when he beat my favourite riders at the time! As my favourites retired i moved on though and still loved watching MotoGp (250's to a lesser extent) and Wsb (supersports too), watching motor sport was nothing to do with a single rider/driver but enjoyment of seeing the best machines being riden/driven to their limits and beyond! I would say a fanboi is more someone who watches just for the rider or driver than the sport itself.
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996 sps
5,651 posts
85 months
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I'm bored, I admire them all but Rossi has had me on my feet more times in some of the races he has had over the years.
Honda, Yamaha etc have all signed 125 250 riders many have failed to deliver he hasn't 9 times.
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hiccy
662 posts
81 months
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996 sps said: Stuff I'm bored, I admire them all but Rossi has had me on my feet more times in some of the races he has had over the years. Honda, Yamaha etc have all signed 125 250 riders many have failed to deliver he hasn't 9 times. That bit. The premier class has been boring the past year and a half, Rossi has been on an uncompetitive bike.... surely some connection? 
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Pvapour
6,251 posts
122 months
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norfolkscooby said: leeson660 said: Fantastic news  I really cannot wait to see Rossi on a ridable bike again. Will definitely start watching Moto GP again now. And that is the prime reason i cant wait for him to retire. His bit part, 'Rossi is gp' fans and there silly views. silly view? cut out all the little girl squabbling & this is where it's at. moto gp is as popular as it is mainly due to Rossi & people want to see him at the front again entertaining as he does, its as simple as that, apart from simonchcelli R.I.P, there has been no character to replace him, the masses want drama, not smoooooth.... its the masses that'll keep moto GP alive, not you die hard fans.
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LoonR1
12,484 posts
46 months
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Pvapour said: silly view? cut out all the little girl squabbling & this is where it's at.
moto gp is as popular as it is mainly due to Rossi & people want to see him at the front again entertaining as he does, its as simple as that, apart from simonchcelli R.I.P, there has been no character to replace him, the masses want drama, not smoooooth....
its the Spanish and Italians that'll keep moto GP alive, not you Britsfans. EFA
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Dangermouse58
81 posts
9 months
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Norfolkscooby is a die hard stoner fan, not motogp fan. Rossi and simoncelli (rip) have/had charisma, cahuna's and personality-something casey sadly lacks.
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krissstephen
167 posts
37 months
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Stoner - no cahunas? Did you miss how he rode the Ducati or his drifting of the Honda?
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Dangermouse58
81 posts
9 months
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krissstephen said: Stoner - no cahunas? Did you miss how he rode the Ducati or his drifting of the Honda? No cahuna's for quitting the sport, and all his pathetic excuses. The duke he rode was very different to the current one, and yes he can drift the honda but so did Hayden and plenty of others.
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Yazza54
9,467 posts
50 months
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Dangermouse58 said: krissstephen said: Stoner - no cahunas? Did you miss how he rode the Ducati or his drifting of the Honda? No cahuna's for quitting the sport, and all his pathetic excuses. The duke he rode was very different to the current one, and yes he can drift the honda but so did Hayden and plenty of others. He can quit if he wants. He's done what he wanted to do which was be the world champion, I don't think he's a record chaser. He's watched as Simoncelli lost his life chasing what he's already accomplished. He's just had a baby and he's got s  tload of cash and a bangin mrs, why risk it all for the sake of record chasing. He's using his brain, can't blame him. I'll miss watching him ride, yes he's not the most exciting person with the helmet off but he's a f  king motorcycle racer not a comedian.
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philis
393 posts
86 months
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RX7 said: He has a point buddy, anyone watching any type of motor sport solely to watch one rider/driver is a bit limited surely? I know we all have our favourite riders/drivers and i remember when Rossi first started hitting the headlines and loved watching him, even when he beat my favourite riders at the time!
As my favourites retired i moved on though and still loved watching MotoGp (250's to a lesser extent) and Wsb (supersports too), watching motor sport was nothing to do with a single rider/driver but enjoyment of seeing the best machines being riden/driven to their limits and beyond!
I would say a fanboi is more someone who watches just for the rider or driver than the sport itself. I disagree, for me the interest in any sport is all to do with the physiological battles between top competitors, seeing the up and coming youngsters take the fight to the established champions, seeing how they each compete under the highest of pressure. Rossi personifies this type of gladiatorial battle, and now its gone full circle and he is now the underdog, seeing how he competes against Lorenzo next year will be absolutely fascinating and i applaud him for giving us this spectacle.
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MrKipling43
5,305 posts
85 months
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Yazza54 said: Dangermouse58 said: krissstephen said: Stoner - no cahunas? Did you miss how he rode the Ducati or his drifting of the Honda? No cahuna's for quitting the sport, and all his pathetic excuses. The duke he rode was very different to the current one, and yes he can drift the honda but so did Hayden and plenty of others. He can quit if he wants. He's done what he wanted to do which was be the world champion, I don't think he's a record chaser. He's watched as Simoncelli lost his life chasing what he's already accomplished. He's just had a baby and he's got s  tload of cash and a bangin mrs, why risk it all for the sake of record chasing. He's using his brain, can't blame him. I'll miss watching him ride, yes he's not the most exciting person with the helmet off but he's a f  king motorcycle racer not a comedian. Nah, Stoner's a pussy. It's not like he said 'if they go to 750cc two-strokes I'd come back' or anything. Or won world championships in one of the most dangerous sports in world. Or won championships on bikes from two manufacturers. Or battled through a mystery illness to come back to win again. Oh sorry, I'm wrong aren't I? He's done all those things. Dangermouse58, please go away and get a clue. Come back when you have one, or are a world champion yourself. Then you can call someone who races 250+bhp motorbikes for a living cajones-less.
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RX7
227 posts
113 months
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philis said: I disagree, for me the interest in any sport is all to do with the physiological battles between top competitors, seeing the up and coming youngsters take the fight to the established champions, seeing how they each compete under the highest of pressure. Rossi personifies this type of gladiatorial battle, and now its gone full circle and he is now the underdog, seeing how he competes against Lorenzo next year will be absolutely fascinating and i applaud him for giving us this spectacle. So in essence you agree, its about more than one rider! The dude above says he will now watch MotoGp again because Rossi will be on a competitive bike, so he is only watching MotoGp to watch Rossi win! Rossi has been competing all year, just not for Number 1 spot, he has been having battles mid field with the likes of Crutchlow, Bautisa, Hayden etc but he only wants to watch Rossi win! I dont think Rossi has lost his ability to win at all, when the playing field has been levelled with rain affected races he has always been up there. I am sure he will beat Lorenzo, Pedrosa etc, has he got another title in him, only he knows that i guess, i am sure he thinks he does or he would just take 16 million from Ducati to sign a new contract! Good on him for wanting to win, but its each to their own, where some are entertained by "characters" off the bike, i am more entertained by watching them ride their bikes! If i was impressed by some chap donning a Robin Hood outfit i would go to the xmas panto with my mummy and daddy!
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