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Paul20000
Original Poster
7 posts
9 months
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just wonder what you guys think , cause i aint to sure myself.
passed my test july 2010
i got 3 points in january 2012 and then got pulled for a driving offence in feburary
which later resulted in going to court in august (last week) and getting found guilty and getting another 6points.
i assumed my 2 year probation was up in july , but i then got letter from dvla 2 days later saying i should post both parts of license to them as its being revoked 5 days after this letter was posted out , and states that i have went over my 6 points probation in the 2 years ,
does that mean they have backdated it to the offence happening in feburary , rather than the conviction date august ?
also states on letter that i didnt produce license at court , but they never asked for anything and just said dvla will contact you shortly .
tried to phone them today to see if it has been backdated , but was closed .
anyone able to enlighten me ?
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Doofus
2,464 posts
42 months
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3 points and then a court appearance before you passed your test?
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Paul20000
Original Poster
7 posts
9 months
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edit .. passed test on july 2010
cheers
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Snails
473 posts
35 months
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Paul20000 said: just wonder what you guys think , cause i aint to sure myself.
passed my test july 2012
i got 3 points in january 2012 and then got pulled for a driving offence in feburary
which later resulted in going to court in august (last week) and getting found guilty and getting another 6points.
i assumed my 2 year probation was up in july , but i then got letter from dvla 2 days later saying i should post both parts of license to them as its being revoked 5 days after this letter was posted out , and states that i have went over my 6 points probation in the 2 years ,
does that mean they have backdated it to the offence happening in feburary , rather than the conviction date august ?
also states on letter that i didnt produce license at court , but they never asked for anything and just said dvla will contact you shortly .
tried to phone them today to see if it has been backdated , but was closed .
anyone able to enlighten me ? I assumed it was a typo. He passed his test in July 2010 and then got 3 points on his licence in January 2012 and then went to court in August 2012 and was given another 6 points, however these 6 points were backdated to February, meaning he had aquired 9 points within 2 years of passing and as such he was banned.
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bertieg
207 posts
10 months
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its the date of the offence, not the conviction
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A lex
8,846 posts
102 months
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Snails said: meaning he had aquired 6 points within 2 years of passing and as such he was banned. Not banned, revoked. Its a 'small' but significant difference. A revoked licence doesnt need to be declared to insurance companies, for e.g.
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Paul20000
Original Poster
7 posts
9 months
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Alright , well that's cleared things up for me now , cheers
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the_kato
290 posts
56 months
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As above. It's the date of the offence. Not the conviction
Yeah you don't have to tell the insurance company you're revoked until test passed, but I reckon the 9 points will do your legs enough
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RedWhiteMonkey
3,146 posts
51 months
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A lex said: A revoked licence doesn't need to be declared to insurance companies, for e.g. Really, given insurance companies propensity to increase premiums, avoid payouts, etc. I find that hard to believe. Revocation is just another means of losing a licence by fault, so what is the difference here?
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davepoth
19,903 posts
68 months
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RedWhiteMonkey said: Really, given insurance companies propensity to increase premiums, avoid payouts, etc. I find that hard to believe. Revocation is just another means of losing a licence by fault, so what is the difference here? It's not a ban; it's as if the test hasn't been passed at all.
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Paul20000
Original Poster
7 posts
9 months
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the_kato said: As above. It's the date of the offence. Not the conviction
Yeah you don't have to tell the insurance company you're revoked until test passed, but I reckon the 9 points will do your legs enough yeah i understand i was getting quotes of 8k with 9points , but i knew i couldnt afford itand would have to wait , just the part of resitting my test etc is a b  h
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RedWhiteMonkey
3,146 posts
51 months
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davepoth said: RedWhiteMonkey said: Really, given insurance companies propensity to increase premiums, avoid payouts, etc. I find that hard to believe. Revocation is just another means of losing a licence by fault, so what is the difference here? It's not a ban; it's as if the test hasn't been passed at all. I accept it isn't technically a ban but I'd have thought that insurance companies would still be interested in knowing, and take into account, the revocation of a licence. Doesn't affect me, just interested in the discussion.
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Paul20000
Original Poster
7 posts
9 months
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And if anyone's had there's revoked , do I just send documents to them then re-apply for provisional , or do I have to wait until a certain time period
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The Nur
5,420 posts
54 months
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What the f k is going on in here tonight?
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CooperS
2,848 posts
88 months
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My advice is give up the driving thing for a while then learn to read so you can undestand those informative signs that give you a heads up of the speed limit and also those rules which basically say don't be a nob on the uk roads by following these rules.
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xreyuk
415 posts
14 months
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I had mine revoked, no time period, just send documents back and reapply.
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Nigel Worc's
5,279 posts
57 months
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It seems such a shame after you've gone through all the crap you need to these days to obtain a licence in the first place, something that most people on here, myself included, didn't have to do.
We also didn't have to suffer all the enforcement crap, mainly the automated stuff, that is around now.
But, the system now is what it is, I can't see a return to sense any time soon, (you should see what youngsters wanting a bike licence are going to have to do from next year!).
Maybe after you've gone through all the crap a second time, and had the period where insurers are going to rape you, you'll learn where and when, and how not to get caught etc.
You could perhaps go bikey for a while, you'll be able to use a 125cc, on L plates, and still get around, insurance is much more sensible for youngsters on bikes rather than a car.
Good luck ( and FFS, get your provisional back first, and don't be tempted to drive/ride until you have, because you are very likely to get caught).
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g3org3y
6,839 posts
60 months
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CooperS said: My advice is give up the driving thing for a while then learn to read so you can undestand those informative signs that give you a heads up of the speed limit and also those rules which basically say don't be a nob on the uk roads by following these rules. Helpful.
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The Nur
5,420 posts
54 months
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g3org3y said: Helpful. This place isn't a service is it? The bloke is unable to follow the rules of the road, maybe some time off it would help him gain a greater appreciation of what a driving license entails.
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A lex
8,846 posts
102 months
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Blimey, it seems some people are disappearing up their own bottoms.
Having had my licence revoked (as a youngster) I feel I can comment on the subject.
I understand the system is basically there to do 'good' and of course it helps to enforce the rules of the road and encourage good driving in newly qualified drivers - inevitably, as with all 'catch-all' systems there are individual circumstances where the punishment doesn't really fit the 'crime'.
22 months after passing my test I was stupid/unlucky enough to pass a speed camera on an unfamiliar road (56mph in a 30mph limit). It was 3am, no traffic, on a Dual Carriageway road that was previously NSL - I entered a 'village' (houses off to the left and right, behind the barriers) and an exit/entry T-junction. The camera was about 200m after the 30 sign - I missed the 30 sign on entry to the village and thus sailed through at 56mph (thinking it was NSL).
So, after nearly 2yrs of driving, 1 stupid (and IMO harmless mistake).
It of course went to court (which I was unable to attend due to being away with work in Japan). I wrote a letter explaining the situation, and stressing that I needed the car for work and could I please, please take 5pts and a large fine.
Result was 6pts and £125 fine. Absolute f*ckers.
It left a very, very sour taste in the mouth and tainted my opinion of the Police and judicial system for a long, long time.
In the end I was lucky with my paperwork and got cancellations on the theory/practical test and was thus back on the road (after passing my test for the 1st time, for the 2nd time around) within 2 weeks.
It is NOT a ban, and it does NOT need to be declared to insurance. You simply declare the offence, an SP30 in my case and carry on as usual.
OP: The best advice I can offer is chase the paperwork as quickly as humanly possible, keeps your fingers crossed for cancellations and if you are lucky, you may well be off the road for less time than you think.
(My licence was revoked in 2003, had a clean sheet since then).
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