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Rat_Fink_67

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1,294 posts

76 months

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So, after the conclusion of another pretty dull race for the big boys, how would you spice up the racing or close the field a bit? Obviously ignoring the reality of the fact that the factories will throw a wobbly and block anything worth bothering with of course. There's talk of rev limits and standard fit ecus in the pipeline, but is it enough?!

Personally if it were me I'd adopt the Moto3 appproach; factory engines and electronics in third party frames, with no restriction on supplied teams (or limit it to like 8 bikes per manufacturer's motor to prevent a monopoly). That way the factories could still field a "works" team if they liked, they just wouldn't be using their own frames. The CRT concept has been a bit of a flop really, yes they're in their relative infancy still, but not likely to mount a serious challenge anytime soon. This has to be down to a) the tyres being developed for prototypes with completely different characteristics, and b) using modified road engines with longevity restrictions. If the other teams were allowed to use a prototype Yamaha, Honda, Ducati, Suzuki or Kawasaki motor and electronics within a chassis of their choice do you reckon that would change the face of the racing at all?

Obviously the best riders and biggest budgets would still have an advantage but it'd have to surely lead to closer action on track? Maybe it'd entice the likes of BMW or KTM to start getting involved too, if all they had to do is produce an engine? I'm just thinking back to the old ROC and Harris Yamaha days in 500s. With lots of teams buying or leasing factory engines and electronics, they'd still be getting a decent revenue stream out of it too. Just a thought.

Fleegle

10,798 posts

46 months

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One set of tyres for the whole weekend

rhinochopig

16,135 posts

68 months

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Whatever the spec was in the Rossi vs Gibernau days. They sounded brilliant and the racing was very close.


Rat_Fink_67

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rhinochopig said:
Whatever the spec was in the Rossi vs Gibernau days. They sounded brilliant and the racing was very close.
Very similar, 990cc motors, the biggest difference was the infancy of the electronics really. Ultimately that's the key, sack off all the anti-wheelie, anti-fun, anti-line deviation ste. But none of the manufacturers would ever support that.

MC Bodge

4,027 posts

45 months

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Tight turns and jumps










Edited by MC Bodge on Sunday 19th August 22:25

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Jezz172

569 posts

49 months

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THE arch stanton

34 posts

48 months

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the long and short of it is that there are not enough competitive machines out there. There are two yams and a couple of hondas. Maybe a rule that for every factory bike they must lease a bike to a customer team, and a similar CRT rule so the true factory bikes dont get too much special kit as the satellite 'factory' teams can buy the at an agreed price. It won't work but apart from standard engines, (which takes away from th prototype genre) I cant see what will

The Pits

3,847 posts

110 months

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Just watch WSB instead.

egor110

2,169 posts

73 months

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success ballast, the better you do the more weight you carry in the next race.

mckeann

698 posts

99 months

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Auto sprinkler system

krissstephen

167 posts

38 months

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A simple budget cap, free entrance to the series for new teams.

Each team can run as many bikes as they want but two per team name.

rmuss

190 posts

29 months

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krissstephen said:
A simple budget cap, free entrance to the series for new teams.

Each team can run as many bikes as they want but two per team name.
I agree with a lot of this, I think budget caps to some extend can help, more bikes would be good especially when people get injured and crash out the grid gets really small in the current motogp.

Although at first I did not agree with the F1 method (a lot of rule changes), I think it turned out perfect, you have really random teams now right at the front and races ever changing. Of course you will never stop the big teams like Honda, Yamaha being at the front but at least with a lot of change teams can get caught out.

Do they run a lot of electronic aids in motogp? I remember when F1 was getting silly and they took a lot a way, made races much more interesting.

sjtscott

2,161 posts

101 months

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Sorry to have to say this.. make the whole field CRT style based. You can run what 1000cc engine your like but put the engine claiming cost to 50k Euro instead. Limit fuel to something sensible and run control ECUs removing all the skill deadening electronics, TC and launch control. 5 Engines maximum per season - if you break that the rider can't compete in the championship anymore. If its clear that one team has a distinct advantage power wise you can stump up 50k euro for say a factory teams motor to discover why - I'd say it would be a bit self policing then wink Maybe remove engine claiming costs element even go as fast as to dyno all engines and state they have to make max of X power given +/- 10% and a realistic minimum weight including the rider. Pedrobot will have to ballast his bike up then a bit wink
Currently it seems pointless to have a handful of bikes in a different league to some others trailing around at the back - either even it up as above or dump full factory prototypes and run it all in the current CRT format.

sprinter1050

10,177 posts

97 months

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I'd like to see something of a return to the (not so) old days of "privateer" bikes/Teams with own bikes/engines. Maybe even using leased factory engines.
Sheene and (I think) Agostini did it years back but more recently we had the always entertaining Kenny Roberts/Proton KR3 spell & then KR Jnr on a Honda engined KR chassis. We also had that Peter thingey bloke (what's his last name??) with the ambitious Yamaha (cough R1)-engined WCM team that disappeared into nowhere. Finally there was the even more ambitious Ilmor X3- 3 pot engined special that Jeremy McWilliams tested & pint-sized Aussie
Gary McCoy bravely tried to master.

Sadly most of the above all fell foul of the increasing demands of racing & development costs. The same, to a degree, with the stupendous (i.e. scary) Aprilia RS3 "Cube" project.

I agree the need for a pure prototype class but when you look at the grids of both Moto2 & 3 and especially the (more)exciting racing you have to ask if the top class can learn anything from their methods.

MotoGP definitely needs more bikes AND manufacturers on the grid. I'm unconvinced that the 2-tier race of protos & CRT's is working. Like so much of racing it all boils down to £,$ & euros at the end.

LoonR1

12,754 posts

47 months

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Call it quits. Apply WSB rules across the board and make it one championship out right.

GTIR

19,228 posts

136 months

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Naked riding. (apart from helmet.)

Shadow R1

1,552 posts

46 months

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Edwards said last week a control ecu wont work because all the manufactures would just up and leave, most likely taking money to wsb.

On that suter bmw, he is using an off the shelf electronics package, which is in his words 10 years out of date compared to the prototypes.

I can see in the next few years, it ending up like the late 80's were moto gp had smaller and smaller crowds, tv coverage, where wsb goes back to its high days, Foggy at Brands springs straight to mind.

Look at it like this, if that report was right and Rossi goes to wsb on a yamaha after 2 years, who is left in moto gp that you would want to watch ?

macdeb

3,839 posts

125 months

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mckeann said:
Auto sprinkler system
yeshehe

Tango13

2,653 posts

46 months

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Longer races with pit stops, but the rider has to refuel his own bike and change his own tyre(s) and points awarded for setting pole position, fastest lap of the race and most laps lead.

Also make them drink some fizzy pop during the pit stop a la Stirling Moss back in the 50's, this would also bring in some much needed sponsorship with bonus points for whoever can drink the fastest without puking laugh
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