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orangesrule

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326 posts

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Hi bit of a weird question.

Basically, is it okay to overtake and go the other side of a island?

I just ask the question, as there is a road i drive along to work, 30 limit, but is full of push bikes in the mornings. I often see cars trying to squeeze past the cyclist and island, this obviously squeezes the cyclist towards the curb. I like to give riders as much space as possible.

As long as the visibility is okay, and nothing is clearly coming as well as no pedestrians, is it okay to go the 'wrong way around' one of these islands rather than, scrubbing speed, to wait for the cyclist and then accelerating away, but to maintain progress?


For example the island centred in the google map link here. Travelling from the miniroundabout, you can clearly see the road for about 200m.
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&ll=50.3837...

I'm probaly going to get shredded to death for asking such a question, but thanks anyway.

Deva Link

26,934 posts

130 months

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It's absolutely fine if no-one sees you.

If a police officer sees you then you'll probably get done for dangerous driving.

Munter

25,181 posts

126 months

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You see the blue arrow on the illuminated bollard. That's telling you the answer. smile

orangesrule

Original Poster:

326 posts

33 months

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Haha, fair; I won't bother risking points on my license then, just be patient and be more observant so that this situation doesn't happen and slow naturally.

Thanks smile

WeirdNeville

5,867 posts

100 months

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Yup ,it's 3 points if you go 'the wrong side' of the island. That's what the blue arrow means.
Dishing these out to motorcyclists in london is like handing out beer at a house party.

It's also a massive hassle pushing a pedestrian shaped dent out of your bonnet and finding somewhere to dispose of 70Kg of raw chuck steak ,ergo, not worth the aggro.
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7db

5,950 posts

115 months

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Isn't the blue arrow a non-endorsable FPN?

WeirdNeville

5,867 posts

100 months

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Councils enforce it with a fine. Police issue a 3 point ticket + £60.

R0G

3,965 posts

40 months

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Saturday 1st September 2012 quote quote all
This one is interesting ...

If it was a broken down vehicle for example than you have to pass on the wrong side

For vehicles etc under 10 mph then I reckon it would be seen in the same way as DWLs

jagracer

7,533 posts

121 months

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Saturday 1st September 2012 quote quote all
orangesrule said:
Hi bit of a weird question.

Basically, is it okay to overtake and go the other side of a island?......................................
....................For example the island centred in the google map link here. Travelling from the miniroundabout, you can clearly see the road for about 200m.
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&ll=50.3837...

Are you really serious with this question? If so it answers the question I've been wondering about when people overtake on the wrong side of islands when I'm in my truck travelling at the speed limit, I thought it was just plain dangerous driving not stupidity and lack of observation.

7db

5,950 posts

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WeirdNeville said:
Councils enforce it with a fine. Police issue a 3 point ticket + £60.
Do you have a source on that? I was reasonably sure blue arrows were non-endorseable FPNs and - for example - No Entries are endorsable FPNs.

jagracer

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7db said:
Do you have a source on that? I was reasonably sure blue arrows were non-endorseable FPNs and - for example - No Entries are endorsable FPNs.
TS50 Failing to comply with traffic sign (excluding 'stop' signs, traffic lights or double white lines) 3 points

TS70 Undefined failure to comply with a traffic direction sign 3 points

R0G

3,965 posts

40 months

7db

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jagracer said:
TS50 Failing to comply with traffic sign (excluding 'stop' signs, traffic lights or double white lines) 3 points

TS70 Undefined failure to comply with a traffic direction sign 3 points
Well those are endorsement codes so I wouldn't expect to see non-endorsable offences in there.

7db

5,950 posts

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7db

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Even handier little table from Wales -- all the Fixed Penalty endorsable and non-endorsable offences (and number of tickets issued)

http://www.dyfed-powys.police.uk/sites/default/fil...

Keep left arrows are non-endorsable (as are no entry).
If the island forms part of a DWL system then that's endorsable.


Mattt

15,627 posts

103 months

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Contravening experimental traffic officer?

mudster

416 posts

129 months

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7db said:
WeirdNeville said:
Councils enforce it with a fine. Police issue a 3 point ticket + £60.
Do you have a source on that? I was reasonably sure blue arrows were non-endorseable FPNs and - for example - No Entries are endorsable FPNs.
Circular signs are mandatory. You must obey.

You do know what WeirdNeville does for a job?

7db

5,950 posts

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No idea what WeirdNeville does, but I hope it's not dishing out 3pts to motorists failing to comply with blue arrows as that would appear to be the wrong punishment for the offence, but happy to see a better list than the Welsh one.

eddie1980

419 posts

73 months

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Round us there are miles of 50MPH roads with islands. These used to be nice wide open National Limits.

It’s quite rural and this time of year it really does my heart good to see how much these lower limits combined with the islands "improve" these roads. Cars crushing cyclists against the verges, tractors with tailbacks, motorbikes performing do or die overtakes, and best of all, emergency service vehicles trying to get through all of the above with the islands in the way.

Such is the price of "progress" I guess. Still with the new 50 limit its safer right?

If nothing else the man who mends the bollards is never out of work, and in a time of unemployment that must be the objective.

WeirdNeville

5,867 posts

100 months

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I am indeed a copper, but I investigate real crime not traffic matters!

I do recall giving 3 points on several occasions for this offence by way of PND some years ago (like 7+ years ago), and perhaps the offences have been revised by now because I checked this morning and this does NOT appear on the current list of endorsable offences.

Contavening a 'no entry' sign is still 3 points however.

I'd still stick people on for it, it's bloody dangerous as those islands protect pedestrians and junctions ,and people don't expect someone to be coming by on the 'other' side of them.


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