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tomvcarter

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996 posts

79 months

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Hi, I am looking for a fast hot hatch for commuting and fun, and would love to get into a Clio 200 Cup, but realistically its out of budget for the time being.

What is the next best RS Clio?

The 182 looks like its quite a punchy piece of kit, but i know nothing about the older Clios, and would like to know what people in the know would recommend.

Which RS Clio car is held in highest esteem by the French Bread fraternity?...

Red 4

2,447 posts

73 months

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197 smile


kayzee

1,121 posts

67 months

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I think you're on the right lines there yes... but look at the Trophy edition if you can stretch to it.

tomvcarter

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996 posts

79 months

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kayzee said:
I think you're on the right lines there yes... but look at the Trophy edition if you can stretch to it.
what does the Trophy have over the others?

michaelw3628

178 posts

92 months

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tomvcarter said:
what does the Trophy have over the others?
Recaro Trendline seats, Sachs suspension, 16"Speedline Turini alloys in grey and following the lighter weight idea of a 172 Cup with cloth rear seats and deletion of xenons. Only available in Capsicum Red and 500 made worldwide.
Held in very high regard with previous and current owners alike.
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michaelw3628

178 posts

92 months

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I have had a 197 and 200 and now own a 172 and 182 with cup pack. The handling is better on the MK 3 models but for acceleration and overall performance the MK 2 is better. Build quality and looks are better on the 197/200 IMO.

lexusboy

935 posts

29 months

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Friday 7th September 2012 quote quote all
V6

kayzee

1,121 posts

67 months

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I think if he can't afford a 200 Cup atm (talking second hand...) then I doubt a V6 is in range either.

tomvcarter

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996 posts

79 months

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I had a test drive in a Clio 182 Trophy yesterday, and was very impressed. How different is it to the 182 Cup?

Also I have read that the dampers are prone to failure and are expensive to fix, do you think the 182 cup would be a better option to live with on a daily basis?

deadmau5

3,142 posts

66 months

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You're better off going for a 182 full fat with cup packs. The 182 Cup itself is hardly any lighter than a full fat 182 but has less options and seats covers that will embarrass you every time someone gets in your car.

You are right about the Trophy suspension. A guy in Reader's Cars recently changed the Sachs to some other suspension, possibly H&R? Have a look in there.

tomvcarter

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996 posts

79 months

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Is the performance of the Trophy much better that the 182 Cup?
Also what should a Clio RS 200 Cup with 20,000 miles on te clock sell for?
There are anger of cars for sale, some as low as £8000, others priced £12000... Any idea what the real market vale should be?

deadmau5

3,142 posts

66 months

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tomvcarter said:
Is the performance of the Trophy much better that the 182 Cup?
Also what should a Clio RS 200 Cup with 20,000 miles on te clock sell for?
There are anger of cars for sale, some as low as £8000, others priced £12000... Any idea what the real market vale should be?
Yes it is marginally quicker but not much in it.

There is a trader on 197/200.net who only sells mint condition cars with Recaros and most options. He currently has this for sale:

Renaultsport clio 200 Cup

Racing blue
15k

options:
Black Speedlines
A/C
Cup Spoiler
Cup Chassis
Recaros


Full renault History

TAX + MOT till the end of the year

New Gearbox from Renault-
New steering rack from Renault-

2 owners

£9375 or £9150 with black 200 wheels.

roystinho

1,508 posts

61 months

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^^^^If this is Steve Murr I'd bite his hand off, only sells mint cars. Just got my new wheels from him

BREMBOV6

203 posts

34 months

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Wednesday 19th September 2012 quote quote all
If your commuting get a 182 or 172 the 197 and 200 are terrible on fuel so I believe

deadmau5

3,142 posts

66 months

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Wednesday 19th September 2012 quote quote all
In my 197 I get an indicated 27-32mpg depending on how I drive. In reality it's 29-34mpg so hardly terrible for an NA car with nearly 100bhp per litre.

michaelw3628

178 posts

92 months

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roystinho said:
^^^^If this is Steve Murr I'd bite his hand off, only sells mint cars. Just got my new wheels from him
I've seen you mention you got a new car. What did you get? A LY vee?

tomvcarter

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996 posts

79 months

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what about 182 cup vs 182 trophy?

cheddar

2,728 posts

60 months

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tomvcarter said:
what about 182 cup vs 182 trophy?
The remote reservoir motorsport spec dampers are the biggest difference, and yes, they're expensive to replace (£1265 each!), relatively cheap to rebuild (£200 each) and worth every penny.

Monkey Harris on the Trophy: "Transformational, Porsche drivers watch out"

Harry Metcalfe of EVO has one in his extensive stable, adores it, paid £400 to rebuild two of the dampers after Winter salt attacked them, they appear to have no protection from the elements so lots of grease around them is the answer.

Report here: http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/evolongtermtests/2...


Hoygo

724 posts

47 months

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Trophy over the cup anytime IMO,unfortunately in the crap british roads sachs dampers last not as much as they were planed,about 400 £ refurb.

The dampers transform the car,is a hell lot better than the cup handling wise and all other hot hatches,for driving fun down a b-road is hardly beaten.

Apart from this theres not much difference between the 182 cup and Trophy other than half leather Recaros.

its worth the extra money for the Trophy,and with that means its been looked after better than a normal 182 cup too,which can explain why most of the time Trophys tend to be more reliable than normal 182s.

cheddar

2,728 posts

60 months

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A bit of Monkey's ink on the Trophy:

"They’ve put some expensive dampers on it. Doesn’t sound like much, but it turns what was already a car capable of shaming much more expensive machinery over most roads into something otherworldly.

I have never driven a car like it.

There are faster hot hatches, and some have more exceptional abilities in specific areas, but none adheres to the basic premise of what a hot hatch should do, nor the type of driving experience one should offer like this car.

In conjunction with Sachs Race Engineering, Renault has fitted the Clio with what are effectively race dampers. They have a remote reservoir holding nearly half of the oil and gas that fills them, and which allows a thicker and stiffer damper rod to be used. The front suspension is 10mm lower than on the Cup and with uprated front hubs and a set of Speedline rims that save 1.3kg per corner, this amounts to a large investment on a car that will only be sold in the UK and Switzerland. We get 500 units, the Swiss just 25. Each damper is roughly 10 times more expensive than the equivalent item fitted to a basic Cup car, and the list price is £15,500. Handling genius has never been so affordable.

Lowered and stiffened are not words you would normally associate with improved handling on UK roads, but the Clio Trophy is a car with so much damping sophistication that it achieves the impossible. It rolls less than the Cup, has less suspension travel at the front, and yet it rides fully 30 per cent better than that car. To drive it fast over virtually disintegrating asphalt and feel just how well controlled each wheel is for bump and rebound is eye-opening

The upshot is a car of unrivalled cross-country pace and enjoyment in this class. Grip is stronger than you’d ever believe possible of a 205/45 WR16 Michelin Exalto 2, and the engineers admit that, had there been time, they’d have fitted a cup tyre.

This is one of the great enthusiast’s cars and it demands evaluation alongside cars of similarly focused appeal. Porsche owners will scoff at such a suggestion, but they will modify their opinion after a 20-mile drive trying, and failing, to remove a Clio from their rear-view mirror. What a car. What a bargain. Chris Harris"


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