Why does everyone hate teachers?
Discussion
Countdown said:
I'm sure there is, but they're independent. I.e. neither the question-setters nor the"markers" mark their own students. The schools are judged on exam results. Teachers therefore try to maximise the grades their students achieve. If the system isn't producing the right results it's the system that needs changing (as gove is doing), not the players.
Players run the system. We're told by the educational system that they produce brighter students these days because the teaching is that much better, but when a 60s O Level paper is produced, it's pretty obvious the system got dumbed down. Talk about self serving.otolith said:
johnfm said:
It serves no useful purpose to anyone other than airlines, holiday companies and summer camps and childminders!
I have some wonderful childhood memories of the long summer holidays - don't you?Du1point8 said:
I personally prefer a high stress job and working long hours, however my OH got pissed off with me doing an 8am - 7pm job (at work not including travelling) and then being on call 24/7 after hours (either 1st or 2nd line, always oncall), that lasted 9 months before I moved on... I enjoyed it, OH hates the BB going off at 2/3am, so I know what hard work is
It's quite sad to read that actually, I have done something similar and one day you will be at a stage of your life and regret it. Everyone seems to be experts about teachers and what their job is, when really they know f
k all.Me included, but fair play to them....I could not do it...and the perks sound great but in reality the grass is always greener on the other side and everyone else has an easy job.
PH ignorance matters
Du1point8 said:
I personally prefer a high stress job and working long hours, however my OH got pissed off with me doing an 8am - 7pm job (at work not including travelling) and then being on call 24/7 after hours (either 1st or 2nd line, always oncall), that lasted 9 months before I moved on... I enjoyed it, OH hates the BB going off at 2/3am, so I know what hard work is
It's quite sad to read that actually, I have done something similar and one day you will be at a stage of your life and regret it. Everyone seems to be experts about teachers and what their job is, when really they know f
k all.Me included, but fair play to them....I could not do it...and the perks sound great but in reality the grass is always greener on the other side and everyone else has an easy job.
PH ignorance matters
Ozzie Osmond said:
Yes, and every soldier is a hero, every police officer is a hero, every fireman is a hero and so on.
Answer me this. If the teachers are so great how come UK educational achievement ranks so low among civilised countries, with our own universities left aghast at the pitiful skills of school leavers? Employers are well aware that it's often better to engage someone who's second language is English than to take on a Brit.
Things are going so well that GCSEs have to be replaced....
Ok, I'm not going to say that things are rosy in the garden, but isn't blaming the teachers for this a bit OTT? The teachers deliver what is expected of them, in line with the targets set by the government/exam boards. The fact that exam results are going up year on year could be put down to teachers improving year on year, showing that teaching standards are going up (which, in my experience, is the case). Blaming teachers for the failure of the system is like blaming the radio for the music that is playing! Answer me this. If the teachers are so great how come UK educational achievement ranks so low among civilised countries, with our own universities left aghast at the pitiful skills of school leavers? Employers are well aware that it's often better to engage someone who's second language is English than to take on a Brit.
Things are going so well that GCSEs have to be replaced....
nadger said:
Ozzie Osmond said:
Yes, and every soldier is a hero, every police officer is a hero, every fireman is a hero and so on.
Answer me this. If the teachers are so great how come UK educational achievement ranks so low among civilised countries, with our own universities left aghast at the pitiful skills of school leavers? Employers are well aware that it's often better to engage someone who's second language is English than to take on a Brit.
Things are going so well that GCSEs have to be replaced....
Ok, I'm not going to say that things are rosy in the garden, but isn't blaming the teachers for this a bit OTT? The teachers deliver what is expected of them, in line with the targets set by the government/exam boards. The fact that exam results are going up year on year could be put down to teachers improving year on year, showing that teaching standards are going up (which, in my experience, is the case). Blaming teachers for the failure of the system is like blaming the radio for the music that is playing! Answer me this. If the teachers are so great how come UK educational achievement ranks so low among civilised countries, with our own universities left aghast at the pitiful skills of school leavers? Employers are well aware that it's often better to engage someone who's second language is English than to take on a Brit.
Things are going so well that GCSEs have to be replaced....
teaching kids how to pass exams is not really teaching them the subject though, Teaching to the test is what I believe the name is.
Though I doubt any PH teacher has ever done that in their life.
johnfm said:
otolith said:
johnfm said:
It serves no useful purpose to anyone other than airlines, holiday companies and summer camps and childminders!
I have some wonderful childhood memories of the long summer holidays - don't you?
johnfm said:
otolith said:
johnfm said:
It serves no useful purpose to anyone other than airlines, holiday companies and summer camps and childminders!
I have some wonderful childhood memories of the long summer holidays - don't you?
Next year's holiday for Wiltshire is 25/07/13 - 30/08/13 - 6 weeks.
otolith said:
johnfm said:
otolith said:
johnfm said:
It serves no useful purpose to anyone other than airlines, holiday companies and summer camps and childminders!
I have some wonderful childhood memories of the long summer holidays - don't you?Next year's holiday for Wiltshire is 25/07/13 - 30/08/13 - 6 weeks.
Du1point8 said:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/secondaryeduc...
teaching kids how to pass exams is not really teaching them the subject though, Teaching to the test is what I believe the name is.
Though I doubt any PH teacher has ever done that in their life.
Exam Boards have been doing this for a while in order to increase their market share and profits. Both sides are guilty of corruption (although only one side is doing it for financial gain).teaching kids how to pass exams is not really teaching them the subject though, Teaching to the test is what I believe the name is.
Though I doubt any PH teacher has ever done that in their life.
Countdown said:
Du1point8 said:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/secondaryeduc...
teaching kids how to pass exams is not really teaching them the subject though, Teaching to the test is what I believe the name is.
Though I doubt any PH teacher has ever done that in their life.
Exam Boards have been doing this for a while in order to increase their market share and profits. Both sides are guilty of corruption (although only one side is doing it for financial gain).teaching kids how to pass exams is not really teaching them the subject though, Teaching to the test is what I believe the name is.
Though I doubt any PH teacher has ever done that in their life.
Better to remove state control, LEA oversight, and get independent schools reacting to local need...allow them to develop courses in hand with local (or national) employers and universities. Just give them the room to manouevre and the freedom to act. Parents with education tokens from central government. Vote Don today!!!
Timmy35 said:
otolith said:
johnfm said:
otolith said:
johnfm said:
It serves no useful purpose to anyone other than airlines, holiday companies and summer camps and childminders!
I have some wonderful childhood memories of the long summer holidays - don't you?Next year's holiday for Wiltshire is 25/07/13 - 30/08/13 - 6 weeks.
Du1point8 said:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/secondaryeduc...
teaching kids how to pass exams is not really teaching them the subject though, Teaching to the test is what I believe the name is.
Though I doubt any PH teacher has ever done that in their life.
Of course you teach the kids how to pass the exam. If you didn't you would be failing them. However part of preparing them to pass the exam is to give them tbe knowledge they need as well as the skills required by the exam. I'd be amazed if any teacher doesn't do that to be honest! Would you let a mechanic who knew what every part of your car was, but didn't understand how they worked together?teaching kids how to pass exams is not really teaching them the subject though, Teaching to the test is what I believe the name is.
Though I doubt any PH teacher has ever done that in their life.
Bradgate said:
I don't hate teachers. They do a difficult and important job, one that I don't have the temperament for and most are not particularly well-paid.
They do, however, get a couple of fairly big perks. They get 13 weeks annual leave, while almost all private sector workers have to make do with 4 or 5. They also get a guaranteed final salary pension, which private sector workers don't.
When teachers who get these perks still have the cheek to whinge about their lot, it's hardly surprising that other people find it irritating.
I concurr and that's why people resent teachers rather than hate them. Teaching assistants, cooks, dinnerladies, secretaries, admins, librarians and cleaners, etc who work at the schools have it far cushier than the teachers in the schools. The perks they have with holidays and salary for what they do.They do, however, get a couple of fairly big perks. They get 13 weeks annual leave, while almost all private sector workers have to make do with 4 or 5. They also get a guaranteed final salary pension, which private sector workers don't.
When teachers who get these perks still have the cheek to whinge about their lot, it's hardly surprising that other people find it irritating.
There is no discipline at home which converts into the class room, long term we are ...?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3183310/Ru...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3183310/Ru...
MackMac said:
Bradgate said:
I don't hate teachers. They do a difficult and important job, one that I don't have the temperament for and most are not particularly well-paid.
They do, however, get a couple of fairly big perks. They get 13 weeks annual leave, while almost all private sector workers have to make do with 4 or 5. They also get a guaranteed final salary pension, which private sector workers don't.
When teachers who get these perks still have the cheek to whinge about their lot, it's hardly surprising that other people find it irritating.
I concurr and that's why people resent teachers rather than hate them. Teaching assistants, cooks, dinnerladies, secretaries, admins, librarians and cleaners, etc who work at the schools have it far cushier than the teachers in the schools. The perks they have with holidays and salary for what they do.They do, however, get a couple of fairly big perks. They get 13 weeks annual leave, while almost all private sector workers have to make do with 4 or 5. They also get a guaranteed final salary pension, which private sector workers don't.
When teachers who get these perks still have the cheek to whinge about their lot, it's hardly surprising that other people find it irritating.
REALIST123 said:
MackMac said:
Bradgate said:
I don't hate teachers. They do a difficult and important job, one that I don't have the temperament for and most are not particularly well-paid.
They do, however, get a couple of fairly big perks. They get 13 weeks annual leave, while almost all private sector workers have to make do with 4 or 5. They also get a guaranteed final salary pension, which private sector workers don't.
When teachers who get these perks still have the cheek to whinge about their lot, it's hardly surprising that other people find it irritating.
I concurr and that's why people resent teachers rather than hate them. Teaching assistants, cooks, dinnerladies, secretaries, admins, librarians and cleaners, etc who work at the schools have it far cushier than the teachers in the schools. The perks they have with holidays and salary for what they do.They do, however, get a couple of fairly big perks. They get 13 weeks annual leave, while almost all private sector workers have to make do with 4 or 5. They also get a guaranteed final salary pension, which private sector workers don't.
When teachers who get these perks still have the cheek to whinge about their lot, it's hardly surprising that other people find it irritating.
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