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benjj
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My local motor club (Ilkley & District Motor Club) have got a series of small 12 car rallies organised through the autumn. Most start/end around the Harrogate/Ilkley/Otley/Pool area, are cheap as chips and will be well organised.
To keep my eye in as a driver I'm looking to do a few. If any rally navigators are up for a run out then drop me a line.
The next couple of dates:
Wednesday 17th October - 7pm - 10pm, start Swinsty Reservoir, end Malsis.
Wednesday 21st November - 7pm - 10pm, start tbc
Also quite happy for a novice navigator or someone wanting to learn. I've got all the kit you'd need.
The only requirement is to be a member of the club. At present it is about £12 a year I think.
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burriana
15,817 posts
123 months
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I'd be interested, but, as a novice and knowing your patience levels, I'd hate to be sat next to you if I sent you down the wrong turning 
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benjj
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3,091 posts
32 months
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If you're keen I'd be well up for it. A Nav's work is tough though, lots of concentration needed. If you're still keen lets do it and see how you like it...
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burriana
15,817 posts
123 months
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If you don't get anyone else more suited I would certainly be interested, but I have NEVER done it before except leading a run (as nav) through the French countryside one Sunday morning at Le Mans!
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Ranger 6
4,227 posts
118 months
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12 car events are great fun - a good way to start. Some clubs lay them out like complex treasure hunts. I'd go for it as that's my old stomping ground, but I think the 250 mile trip from darn sarf might be a bit much
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benjj
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moribund
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I love maps, hillwalking and have done some orienteering so I wondered if I could be a navigator - but having read the pages on that link it turns out I'm actually just a driver My head would explode!
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velocemitch
1,355 posts
89 months
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Ilkley's 12 Cars are well run and pretty tough too. I've yet to get a half decent result and I've done a couple of dozen national events as a navigator now. I'm still classed as a Novice in those rounds, yet I often run as Expert on National B events!.
I'm not intending to put you off at all, just encouraging you as they really are well worth doing and the best way to learn the principles of road rallying.
I'm planning on being out with a guy from work.
There's also a navigational scatter at the end of October, not quite the same as a 12 car but equally as tough and much faster.
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benjj
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32 months
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Ian, if you fancy naving in the old Porsche then give me a shout!
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velocemitch
1,355 posts
89 months
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Entries in already Ben, keep working on burriana 
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benjj
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32 months
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Right, will do, bit of PH rivalry will be good!
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benjj
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Just to add to anyone interested: I've got everything you need for navigating so you wouldn't need to buy any kit.
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velocemitch
1,355 posts
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moribund said: I love maps, hillwalking and have done some orienteering so I wondered if I could be a navigator - but having read the pages on that link it turns out I'm actually just a driver My head would explode! I'm not saying its easy for a minute, but you should give it a go its brilliant fun and very rewarding when you get it right. A love of cars and an understanding of maps are the main requirements you seem to have both. Some say navigational scatters are just orienteering in cars, which is pretty close actualy, 12 cars are just short road rallies about 50 miles in this case. I think the pages on the hrcr site might be a bit off putting as they are describing full plot and bash daylight regularity. Ilkley 12 cars are simpler, but because idmc has some of best navigators in the country and the drivers often know the roads well it's tough to beat them.
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benjj
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velocemitch said: moribund said: I love maps, hillwalking and have done some orienteering so I wondered if I could be a navigator - but having read the pages on that link it turns out I'm actually just a driver My head would explode! I'm not saying its easy for a minute, but you should give it a go its brilliant fun and very rewarding when you get it right. A love of cars and an understanding of maps are the main requirements you seem to have both. Some say navigational scatters are just orienteering in cars, which is pretty close actualy, 12 cars are just short road rallies about 50 miles in this case. I think the pages on the hrcr site might be a bit off putting as they are describing full plot and bash daylight regularity. Ilkley 12 cars are simpler, but because idmc has some of best navigators in the country and the drivers often know the roads well it's tough to beat them. Plus I'll buy you dinner and a pint afterwards. GO ON!
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burriana
15,817 posts
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Tulips I get... Herringbones I now understand... but:
"It's usually expected that herringbones will start from the left, but rally organisers often turn them around, maybe giving you a clue in the instructions..."
They try to confuse deliberately as well?!
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burriana
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Now they really are taking the pee! They want us to do equations now!  Variations on this theme may give you the spot heights as a continuous string: 7355428810766 and may even mix spot heights with grid line numbers in the string. You may be given consecutive pair of spot heights added together, which would be: 128 130 173 Spot heights could also be given as additions and subtractions from the previous number: 73 -18 -13 +46 +19 -41 or they may be given as additions and subtractions from an original starting point: 74 -18 -31 +15 +34 -7
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benjj
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Ian may be able to advise but I'm not sure if spot heights or compass directions are used on these...? I assumed roadbook + tulip
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burriana
15,817 posts
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Tulips I can do, but if they are deliberately making it difficult "to make it interesting" then it all becomes too much hassle. I quite like navigating so would still be interesting if it is fairly basic stuff. I don't want us to completely stuff it up! 
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benjj
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velocemitch
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They will use tulips, possibly herringbones, grid squares, spot hieghts and other map features. I've never seen anything criptic though its not necessary on these roads. You will be given the position of the end of each section as a map ref so if it all goes wrong you just cut that section and start the next.
The first half of this event is a tulip road book which is fairly straightforward though an accurate trip would be Usefull.
The second half is plot and bash which is harder. Main thing to watch is going otl ie running more than 15 minutes late, don't worry about running early on this section it won't happen!!. Get the route right first, even if it means stopping and studying it carefully. Not many can do p&b at any sort of speed and you will loose more time going off route than you would plotting it carefully then driving it..er .... Briskly!
It is a challenge, if it was easy the top guys would walk it, good results take time. I've been doing ilkley a 12 cars as a driver or a nav for six years now and my best result is 5th with a few class wins. I've had top tens and numerous class wins on national events with 60 odd car entries though. Those ilkley guys are bloody good!
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