Silverstone BTCC

[Crafty_]

the reply was more aimed at the "pure class" comment. In a faster car than everyone else he bumped and ran his way to the front, there was little class about it.

The series has lost many professional drivers in the last 5 years or so, I don't see any driver is of paramount importance to the series. Plato and Neal are no different.

[decadence]

skeggysteve said:

decadence said:

GTIAlex said:

Im going to go buy me an MG

I don't think there's anything on that car that's actually off the MG road car...

Just like all the cars on the BTCC grid then.

Yep... just makes the whole "Plato wins! in an MG!!!" stupid .. he's winning in a 888 car.... that's just standard.. but hey oh that's showbiz folks!!

[Pete RS]

skeggysteve said:

More info needed, please!

? I was in the GT3 cup race and got a 3rd so was well pleased. It's certainly not dull when your peddling was a great day, nice to race in front of a good crowd, great weather, in fact all good

[decadence]

freedman said:

decadence said:

Bit stupid really to see Plato come from 20th to first with 12 laps still left. Same with Jackson. Just seems a bit daft when the Hondas are so boarked. How a few can suggest the Hondas did that so they could get more boost for BH...come on really? Sheddon and Neal looked like they need to be on suicide watch tonight.
Anyway the people with any modicum of intelligence or a sense of balance and perspective (basically no Plato fans then) will know that today as a whole has been a bit of a joke as far as Jackson and Platos wins from the back go.
I know it came happen but both when you watch were just faster cars in straight line, out of corners etc....thats unfair boost at work.

And a quick point to the people who will bang on about how its the same as last year was for Plato. A massive difference here is that Plato in in an NGTC car now, last year RML opted to be cheap skates and run an old car and try to moan away the Turbos advantage....Now they are in NGTC cars why allow Jason the same advantages?

Worst thing is that the Plato fans will just be even more convinced Jason is that good...he ain't.

Did you notice Neate or Smith winning in the same cars as Plato or Jackson?

Yes they ahd a car advantage but they still know how to pedal them,

Whether you like Plato or not (and many dont) suggesting he isnt that good is the height of idiocy

Fords are VERY different, I'd do more research in the current BTCC chap.
As for the Neate comparison it dosen't wash as Neate can qualify much higher than he deserves due to that car, the reason he bums up is cause he has poor race craft and trips over himself and others, in slight defence the team is aimed at Plato and in first half of season 888 went as far as to say Neates car was less develope than Platos..
And we're all cars to be equal Neate would be at the back and Plato would be at the front with Neal Sheddon etc etc in a proper fair race... Plato is awesome but not as awesome as race 3 made him look... it was a bit stupid. It was a white wash and in a sport that seems obsessed with 'equalisation' a car shouldn't be able to that cause clearly the 888 could of been pegged back abit as it wasn't equal... then Plato can claim its the chassis but we know it's the boost.. it's a con.

[rubystone]

Surely (lack of) ballast played a big part in those back to front victories today? The S2000 cars enjoy more boost too and their tyres clearly hung on well in the cool conditions. The speed through the traps showed that the Hondas and MGs are closely matched in that area. If Motorbase can get that Focus to handle like the MG and Civic, it will be a serious contender next year.

Shedden drove some canny races today and did well to leave with any kind of lead.

Welch drove like his dad today...as Austin will testify...

Doesn't Neate only pay £250,000 pa for his drive?

[LiamM45]

Hate to say it but good driving from Plato, but no one seemed to put up much of a fight bar Shedden to let him get to the front, which is worrying. He made two very similar moves each lap which relied on the way the MG put it's power down exiting the corner. Good work 888 to be honest, they nailed the setup on that thing. Pity it just made Neate look even worse.

Even better work by the folks on Mat Jackson's car. That looked fantastic and tbh I thought it looked quicker than the MG.

Gutted for Rob Austin and Dan Welch in the last race. Both looked really quick.

[VX Foxy]

I'm with decadence; that final race was a joke, a circus. WWF for cars. I can see the appeal of P1ATO - he and Matt make for exciting racing - but that should not be possible without some kind of force majeur.

Great drive from JP? bks.

[supraboy]

My first ever BTCC event, sat in the crowds and I could believe how many people were cheering for Plato! Near enough everyone was behind him!

[fatboy69]

I didnt see the third race however I would have thought that going from 19th to 1st is a good race for anyone in any category.

Whilst I'm not the greatest Plato fan I don't understand the hatred some people have for him. He wins races on a regular basis so he can't be tha bad can he?

I know he moans a lot but so does that tall fool in the Honda & I don't see the same amount of hatred being directed towards him even though he is just as bad, if not worse, at times.

I wish they would all STFU, watch Bathurst & learn something.

I also wish that the BTCC cars were all rear wheel drive with big fat 5 litre V8's in the front.........

But we all that that won't happen either dont we?

[decadence]

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[decadence]

fatboy69 said:

I didnt see the third race however I would have thought that going from 19th to 1st is a good race for anyone in any category.

Whilst I'm not the greatest Plato fan I don't understand the hatred some people have for him. He wins races on a regular basis so he can't be tha bad can he?

I know he moans a lot but so does that tall fool in the Honda & I don't see the same amount of hatred being directed towards him even though he is just as bad, if not worse, at times.

I wish they would all STFU, watch Bathurst & learn something.

I also wish that the BTCC cars were all rear wheel drive with big fat 5 litre V8's in the front.........

But we all that that won't happen either dont we?

It's quite simple really. When Arron Smith was battling with Plato at knockhill Plato said words to the effect that suggested that Smith was only there due to unfair and wrong boost levels.... when Plato walks it from 20th to 1st today, then it's cause he's the worlds greatest driver...that I find unfair about Plato..

[fatboy69]

The Plato hatred has been going on for years. As for today's race - I didn't see it & I only knew that won the last race. I haven't said he is the worlds greatest driver.

[MGJohn]

fatboy69 said:

I didnt see the third race however I would have thought that going from 19th to 1st is a good race for anyone in any category.

Whilst I'm not the greatest Plato fan I don't understand the hatred some people have for him. He wins races on a regular basis so he can't be tha bad can he?

I know he moans a lot but so does that tall fool in the Honda & I don't see the same amount of hatred being directed towards him even though he is just as bad, if not worse, at times.

I wish they would all STFU, watch Bathurst & learn something.

I also wish that the BTCC cars were all rear wheel drive with big fat 5 litre V8's in the front.........

But we all that that won't happen either dont we?

How old are you Fatboy 1969 maybe ... still a child in my books .. ?

Fatboy .. were you around in the early 1980s when the big Rover V8s were in action ? ... better still when Clark in his Lotus Cortina and others mixed it with the Big Bad Boy Ford Falcons in the 1960s.

Youngsters today don't know theyze born ... and you could do the ton plus on many UK roads all quite legally.

Back on topic ...

I missed much of today's BTCC action on TV. How did Pluto get on in that bad boy overboosted GM ?

Any good ? ...

[fatboy69]

Still a child? Shows just how little you know MGJ.

Not sure what your point is as your ramblings don't always make sense. Quite obvious you are no fan of JP so I guess the equal stupidity of the lanky Hondadriver is more your style.

I have already said that I not JP's biggest fan & have also said I didn't see the third race today - or the first for that matter.

Just for the record - I am old enough to remember the BTCC in its glory days & I can well recall the Cleland, Soper, Harvey battles not to mention many years of racing before that.

Today's 'battles' are child's play compared to what went on between the Vauxhalls, BMW's & Toyota's all those years ago......


Oh yeah - one other thing. I was around when the Rover V8's etc were racing as my team managed to beat a certain works supported team to the British Saloon Car Championship two years on the trot.

Try as they did, by fair means or foul, they couldn't beat us to the title. Only time they managed to beat us 'fair & square' was when we ran the same cars as they did...

Turned out that their cars were 'different' to ours (details of which I will not under any circumstances go into on here) hence we got beaten.

So yes I was around in the halcyon days of Saloon Car racing.

Edited by fatboy69 on Monday 8th October 00:18

[IainW]

fatboy69 said:

I also wish that the BTCC cars were all rear wheel drive with big fat 5 litre V8's in the front.........

I was thinking when watching last night, wouldn't it have been nice to have a similar Car Of The Future concept over here? Maybe not V8s, but at least 6-cylinder engines. Plenty of mass-produced cars with that sort of engine. I don't like the turbos at all. At least a WRC turbo sounds good, these things are bloody awful to listen to.

[Wh00sher]

VX Foxy said:

I'm with decadence; that final race was a joke, a circus. WWF for cars. I can see the appeal of P1ATO - he and Matt make for exciting racing - but that should not be possible without some kind of force majeur.

Great drive from JP? bks.

How come his teammate didn`t do as well then ? Same car, no ballast.

I`m not a fan of only one driver, I just enjoy close racing, whoever wins.

[fatboy69]

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[decadence]

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[fatboy69]

I agree with one thing that Decadence says - I also hate the turbos. As he says either give everyone the same boost or, better still, get rid of the fking things!

[decadence]

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